Mafia game #43, The Shawshank Redemption
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05-11-2015, 12:30 PM
RE: Mafia game #43, The Shawshank Redemption
(05-11-2015 12:20 PM)Tartarus Sauce Wrote:  Except what's even more suspicious is your continued vouching for Guley despite the fact that his response to my statements last night are the scummiest indicators I've seen so far this game AND that you were the one who headed the terribly thought out lynch wagon on Kitty, with Guley jumping right on board with you (UGP as well but I've already cleared her as townie, confused voting is par course for her on day one).

Now that's suspicious.

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Is it Losty you think we should be lynching then?

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05-11-2015, 12:38 PM
RE: Mafia game #43, The Shawshank Redemption
(05-11-2015 12:20 PM)Tartarus Sauce Wrote:  
(05-11-2015 10:22 AM)Losty Wrote:  Guley seems trust worthy to me. Briiae I'm not as sure about. I still find her last minute "attempt" to flip the vote to herself very suspicious looking.

Except what's even more suspicious is your continued vouching for Guley despite the fact that his response to my statements last night are the scummiest indicators I've seen so far this game AND that you were the one who headed the terribly thought out lynch wagon on Kitty, with Guley jumping right on board with you (UGP as well but I've already cleared her as townie, confused voting is par course for her on day one).

Now that's suspicious.

Like I said, Guley seems trustworthy to me. I already know I'm town. You said you had someone to lynch and I said I would vote with you regardless of who that person is. But I stand by my thinking that Guley is trustworthy. As for the lynch wagon on kitty, anyone who thinks starting a lynch wagon on day 1 is a bad idea either doesn't know how to play the game or is scum. Yea, it was a shitty reason but it was the only thing I had and it's not like anyone else was doing anything besides from sitting around doing nothing. When you refuse to jump on the lynch wagon on day 1 that looks suspicious because the only way you could know someone isn't scum is if you are scum on day 1.

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05-11-2015, 12:39 PM
RE: Mafia game #43, The Shawshank Redemption
(05-11-2015 09:58 AM)undergroundp Wrote:  It was you then Tongue

What Tarty said about me was 100% correct. I am a townie and I used that thing he gave me last night to kill Evie, for the reasons Tarty mentioned. If I was Mafia, I'd probably have chosen Tarty himself. It was just that Evie was kinda suspicious and I was willing to take the chance on a noob.

I was confused when I saw there was no other kill at night, but I have an alternative theory as to why this happened. At the risk of saying too much, there is a chance the Mafia targeted me and they failed. What my role pm said wasn't very clear to me, but I have a chance to escape death. Although Tarty's story makes sense, I can't eliminate the possibility that I was the one targeted.

I have to go out now but I'll be back in a few hours.

They might have elected to kill you instead of tossing a cell then. Or maybe something else happened that resulted in your vaguely worded PM. Or maybe mafia can kill and investigate in one night, but I still have trouble believing that. Anyway, it's not important right now, that's just my theory, what we need to focus on is lynching.

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05-11-2015, 12:43 PM
RE: Mafia game #43, The Shawshank Redemption
Certain people are still not participating much, but maybe it's a time thing. Any ideas?

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05-11-2015, 12:57 PM
RE: Mafia game #43, The Shawshank Redemption
Tarty who do you think we should lynch?
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05-11-2015, 01:08 PM
RE: Mafia game #43, The Shawshank Redemption
Going to sleep. I'll vote tomorrow if you guys decide on someone Tongue

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05-11-2015, 01:27 PM
RE: Mafia game #43, The Shawshank Redemption
(05-11-2015 12:30 PM)undergroundp Wrote:  
(05-11-2015 12:20 PM)Tartarus Sauce Wrote:  Except what's even more suspicious is your continued vouching for Guley despite the fact that his response to my statements last night are the scummiest indicators I've seen so far this game AND that you were the one who headed the terribly thought out lynch wagon on Kitty, with Guley jumping right on board with you (UGP as well but I've already cleared her as townie, confused voting is par course for her on day one).

Now that's suspicious.

Indeed Consider

Is it Losty you think we should be lynching then?

Actually, I've been wavering back and forth between Guley and Losty, something isn't right with them. I have a hard time believing they are both town but I have a hard time believing they are both scum as well, they are way too buddy buddy and would know better than that.

I found Guley's response to my statements last night rather eyebrow raising. He went to great length to emphatically deny the points I was making had any merit. It's one thing to criticize speculations, it's another thing to push that hard against ideas meaning anything when there's an obvious discrepancy in the data. That's something scum would do to mislead town.

I can tell he's watched the movie and his statements seemed to indicate that he was giving the plausibility of an all vanilla townie town way too much credit (when the hell was the last time anybody has played a themed game where all the townies were vanilla?) despite me pointing out that Aroura statement of role flavors fitting the movie, in fact that's what CAUSED him to field that idea. That doesn't seem townie to me, that he didn't want to even investigate whether it was possible that the shanking was indicative of a non-standard mafia night kill since the OP says the prison wardens were staging shootings, and he's seen the movie and would have known how that fit.

On the other hand, I can see his thinking was revolving around a refusal to account for an independent, which makes sense, or a vigilante, which doesn't make sense to not consider a possibility (on the other hand, Wizardofthevoid agreed that he didn't think it was likely the mafia did the shanking). So maybe he's just a townie that couldn't consider the ideas valid on that basis. What still sticks out to me though is that I wasn't just making conjectures last night, my language was assertive. If he was townie, I'm surprised that didn't tip him off to consider asking me if I knew more than I was letting on, which I did.

Losty also failed to recognize this as well, and her behavior is looking even MORE suspicious to me. It's true that day one sucks and that flimsy accusations drive lynch wagons, hell even Kitty instructed her to do as much, and she held off on voting Kitty until it was clear nothing good was showing up. What's rubbing me the wrong way is that she's been parading the "poor player" excuse way too frequently.

Why are you pretending to be a panicked noob Losty? "Oh because day one sucks and we usually need x or y player to get things going" Why didn't you realize that Kitty switched her vote before you responded Losty? "Oh I didn't see that, my bad, day one is so frustrating and I hate how we have to keep voting on such flimsy accusations." Why didn't you realize that I knew more about the night kill last night than I've been letting on, Losty? "Oh I'm a slow player, don't rub it in." Bullshit, you aren't this bad of a player Losty.

Ultimately, though, I think Losty should be lynched for being a hypocrite. She headed the wagon against Kitty with an ill-conceived notion of "pressure vote bandwagoning" being indicative of scummy play (despite the fact that she switched votes before Losty responded and Losty somehow "missed" this). That's why Kitty was lynched. Guley was the FIRST player to bandwagon against Kitty and back up Losty by adding a pressure vote, and they both held their votes on her until she was lynched. Guley literally did the exact same thing that Kitty did, but according to Losty, Kitty did a possible scum move, but Guley is "trustworthy."

Vote: Lynch Losty

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05-11-2015, 01:40 PM
RE: Mafia game #43, The Shawshank Redemption
You're misquoting me Tarty. I'm not a poor player and I don't believe I have been playing poorly. I sure as hell didn't see you trying to get things started. Anyways, it's fine with me.

I believe Guley is town. I can't decide if Tarty and ugp are scum or if it's between Magi, briiae, and wizard. But it's up to you guys to figure it out now.

vote: lynch losty

Btw tarty, if you are town, you are not as good as you like to think yourself. I hate day 1. I always complain about it. This game has been particularly frustrating because no one was doing anything. I felt like I was playing by myself on day 1. I put in the effort for a game that no one else seemed to care about. I don't know how that makes me scummy but it sure makes me done doing all the work. If townies are interested in winning. I trust Guley. That's all I have to give. The rest is up to you guys.

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05-11-2015, 01:44 PM
RE: Mafia game #43, The Shawshank Redemption
(05-11-2015 01:40 PM)Losty Wrote:  You're misquoting me Tarty. I'm not a poor player and I don't believe I have been playing poorly. I sure as hell didn't see you trying to get things started. Anyways, it's fine with me.

I believe Guley is town. I can't decide if Tarty and ugp are scum or if it's between Magi, briiae, and wizard. But it's up to you guys to figure it out now.

vote: lynch losty

Btw tarty, if you are town, you are not as good as you like to think yourself. I hate day 1. I always complain about it. This game has been particularly frustrating because no one was doing anything. I felt like I was playing by myself on day 1. I put in the effort for a game that no one else seemed to care about. I don't know how that makes me scummy but it sure makes me done doing all the work. If townies are interested in winning. I trust Guley. That's all I have to give. The rest is up to you guys.

I don't think myself as highly as you think I do, I was just explaining my thought processes. I can relate to your frustrations and I wasn't directly quoting you, I was giving you my impressions of how you've been acting. I still think you should be lynched for being a hypocrite.

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05-11-2015, 02:18 PM
RE: Mafia game #43, The Shawshank Redemption
I know you weren't directly quoting me. You were twisting my quotes to mean whatever you wanted them to mean. Guley and kitty were on the same page for me on day 1. Guley has since shown himself to at least appear town. You can call me a hypocrite if you like but maybe people will actually listen to me once I'm dead. I doubt it though. I won't be playing any more gagged games here.

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