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17-07-2014, 09:57 AM (This post was last modified: 17-07-2014 10:15 AM by Dom.)
Malaysian airplane down over Ukraine
Well, Malaysian airlines seem to have a stretch of bad luck - it looks like one of their planes went down over Ukraine - the news are still coming in at this time.

Reuters says:

Quote:Ukraine says Malaysian airliner shot down, 295 dead: agency

Thu, Jul 17 11:58 AM EDT

KIEV (Reuters) - A Malaysian airliner was shot down over eastern Ukraine by militants on Thursday, killing all 295 people aboard, a Ukrainian interior ministry official was quoted as saying by Interfax-Ukraine news agency.

The aircraft, which other sources said was a Boeing 777 flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, came down near the city of Donetsk, stronghold of pro-Russian rebels, Anton Gerashchenko said, adding that it was hit by a ground-to-air missile.

There was no further confirmation of the report, although Ukrainian officials said local residents had found wreckage.

Malaysia Airlines said on its Twitter feed it had lost contact with its flight MH-17 from Amsterdam. "The last known position was over Ukrainian airspace," it said.

Gerashchenko was quoted as saying: "A civilian airliner travelling from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur has just been shot down by a Buk anti-aircraft system ... 280 passengers and 15 crew have been killed."

Interfax-Ukraine quoted another Ukrainian official as saying the plane disappeared from radar when it was flying at 10,000 metres (33,000 feet), a typical cruising altitude for airliners.

It came down at Torez, near Shakhtersk, some 40 km (25 miles) from the Russia border. The area has been the scene of fighting between Ukrainian troops and pro-Russian rebels.

Ukraine has accused Russia of taking an active role in the four-month-old conflict in recent days and accused it earlier on Thursday of shooting down a Ukrainian fighter jet - an accusation that Moscow denied.


(Reporting by Richard Balmforth and Alastair Macdonald; Editing by Peter Millership

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17-07-2014, 10:37 AM
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If only we had I and I to tell us what really happened.

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17-07-2014, 10:46 AM
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(17-07-2014 10:37 AM)cjlr Wrote:  If only we had I and I to tell us what really happened.

[tinfoil hat]THE CIAL-QAEDA SHOT THE PLAN DOWN BECAUSE THE US IS TEH EVILZZZ!!!!!!!!11111!!!!!11!!!!! [/tinfoil hat]

There you go.

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17-07-2014, 10:56 AM
RE: Malaysian airplane down over Ukraine
AP says:

Quote:Ukraine Rebels: We Did Not Shoot Down Plane



KIEV, Ukraine — Jul 17, 2014, 12:48 PM ET

By PETER LEONARD Associated Press

Associated Press



Separatist rebels in the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk have denied that they are responsible for shooting down a Malaysia Airlines passenger plane.

Andrei Purgin, deputy prime minister for the rebels, told The Associated Press the plane must have been shot down by Ukrainian government troops. He gave no proof for his statement, and Ukraine earlier denied shooting at any airborne targets.

A Ukrainian official said a passenger plane carrying 295 people was shot down Thursday over eastern Ukraine.

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17-07-2014, 11:06 AM
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In actual analysis...

It takes serious SAM hardware to down a big liner at cruising altitude/speed. Hardware the Russian and Ukrainian armies both have. The rebels could well have, ah, "acquired" that kind of gear from either source.

It doesn't make sense for any of them to have done it. But it's not the bad old days of KAL007 or IR655, so there's no way it was accidental, if it was brought down deliberately by someone out of control on the ground.

A competent investigation team could easily forensics the shit out of this and find out exactly what happened. But with the clusterfuck on the ground who knows if that will ever happen.

That's assuming it was a deliberate act by someone on the ground. If we look at the last couple months, Malaysian Air doesn't have the best record...

295 people are dead regardless.

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17-07-2014, 11:15 AM
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(17-07-2014 11:06 AM)cjlr Wrote:  In actual analysis...

It takes serious SAM hardware to down a big liner at cruising altitude/speed. Hardware the Russian and Ukrainian armies both have. The rebels could well have, ah, "acquired" that kind of gear from either source.

It doesn't make sense for any of them to have done it. But it's not the bad old days of KAL007 or IR655, so there's no way it was accidental, if it was brought down deliberately by someone out of control on the ground.

A competent investigation team could easily forensics the shit out of this and find out exactly what happened. But with the clusterfuck on the ground who knows if that will ever happen.

That's assuming it was a deliberate act by someone on the ground. If we look at the last couple months, Malaysian Air doesn't have the best record...

295 people are dead regardless.


If it was a SAM everyone will know shortly. The area is being heavily monitored by US, Russian, and Chinese Satellites and the launch of a SAM would show up. Also given the type of plane it was (long distance 777 boeing) and the excellent track record that plane has mechanical issues seem unlikely, especially given the fact that the plane was in contact with Air Traffic Controllers up to the point it went down.

Side note a a Ukranian fighter plane was downed yesterday according to the Ukrainian Government but that is unconfirmed.

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17-07-2014, 11:17 AM
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Well, US intelligence has been tracking things over there via satellite because of the conflict.

If it's been shot down, they'll likely be able to pinpoint the exact location of the shooter.

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17-07-2014, 11:35 AM
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(17-07-2014 11:15 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  If it was a SAM everyone will know shortly. The area is being heavily monitored by US, Russian, and Chinese Satellites and the launch of a SAM would show up. Also given the type of plane it was (long distance 777 boeing) and the excellent track record that plane has mechanical issues seem unlikely, especially given the fact that the plane was in contact with Air Traffic Controllers up to the point it went down.

Side note a a Ukranian fighter plane was downed yesterday according to the Ukrainian Government but that is unconfirmed.

Oh, it was likely a rebel unit; untrained people in a very unstable situation who made a catastrophic mistake.

But there's no data yet.

Even pinpointing a SAM wouldn't help much; everyone involved is using the same gear and the situation is such a mess there's plausible deniability all around.

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It was probably reptiloids, is what I'm really saying. Nobody expects the reptiloids.

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17-07-2014, 01:25 PM
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(17-07-2014 11:35 AM)cjlr Wrote:  
(17-07-2014 11:15 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  If it was a SAM everyone will know shortly. The area is being heavily monitored by US, Russian, and Chinese Satellites and the launch of a SAM would show up. Also given the type of plane it was (long distance 777 boeing) and the excellent track record that plane has mechanical issues seem unlikely, especially given the fact that the plane was in contact with Air Traffic Controllers up to the point it went down.

Side note a a Ukranian fighter plane was downed yesterday according to the Ukrainian Government but that is unconfirmed.

Oh, it was likely a rebel unit; untrained people in a very unstable situation who made a catastrophic mistake.

But there's no data yet.

Even pinpointing a SAM wouldn't help much; everyone involved is using the same gear and the situation is such a mess there's plausible deniability all around.

...

It was probably reptiloids, is what I'm really saying. Nobody expects the reptiloids.

Somebody fucked up and didn't know what they were shooting at. Reptilians are suspected because they never know what the fuck they're shooting at.

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17-07-2014, 01:38 PM
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