Male Circumcision for Atheists?
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06-10-2012, 05:22 PM
RE: Male Circumcision for Atheists?
As for what Chas said, despite the differences, I think it still illustrates the insanity of saying what is normally, naturally there must somehow be unclean, gross, and wrong.

But on the other hand, those of us from certain cultures can't really have that point of view because the norm for women is the way it is naturally; the norm for men (in the US anyway) is the way it looks after circumcision. I don't think many parents even consider the act itself, it's simply what one does with a baby boy...

I've talked to guys who were happy they were circumcised because otherwise, women wouldn't like it! WTF. If a woman runs away screaming because of what your parents did/didn't do to your dick at birth, it seems to me that isn't a woman you should want much to do with anyway.

But as with so many other things, I wish I could have a sane, rational conversation about circumcision with parents of baby boys in the US. I've tried and it hasn't happened, people begin to freak out the moment I even suggest it might be unnecessary for the kid, or that it's questionable to be cutting into a sensitive body area of an infant, who is undoubtedly under enough stress already with just being born and all.
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06-10-2012, 05:51 PM
RE: Male Circumcision for Atheists?
I get the feeling that it was all started because that is what the pedo priests of the time wanted on little boys.
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07-10-2012, 04:34 AM
RE: Male Circumcision for Atheists?
(06-10-2012 01:07 PM)Stark Raving Wrote:  That doesn't make it the only difference.

Pray, tell me the other differences?

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07-10-2012, 04:56 PM
RE: Male Circumcision for Atheists?
I was circumcised as a baby, and I haven't found any particular benefit or drawback to it, though I am not angry about it either. I would not have my child circumcised unless there was a definite medical need.
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08-10-2012, 08:22 AM
RE: Male Circumcision for Atheists?
Maimonedes on circumcision:
Quote:Similarly with regard to circumcision, one of the reasons for it is, in my opinion, the wish to bring about a decrease in sexual intercourse and a weakening of the organ in question, so that this activity be diminished and the organ be in as quiet a state as possible. It has been thought that circumcision perfects what is defective congenitally. This gave the possibility to everyone to raise an objection and to say: How can natural things be defective so that they need to be perfected from outside, all the more because we know how useful the foreskin is for that member? In fact this commandment has not been prescribed with a view to perfecting what is defective congenitally, but to perfecting what is defective morally. The bodily pain caused to that member is the real purpose of circumcision. None of the activities necessary for the preservation of the individual is harmed thereby, nor is procreation rendered impossible, but violent concupiscence and lust that goes beyond what is needed are diminished. The fact that circumcision weakens the faculty of sexual excitement and sometimes perhaps diminishes the pleasure is indubitable. For if at birth this member has been made to bleed and has had its covering taken away from it, it must indubitably be weakened. The Sages, may their memory be blessed, have explicitly stated: It is hard for a woman with whom an uncircumcised man has had sexual intercourse to separate from him. In my opinion this is the strongest of the reasons for circumcision.

Quote:The perfection and perpetuation of this Law can only be achieved if circumcision is performed in childhood. For this there are three wise reasons. The first is that if the child were let alone until he grew up, he would sometimes not perform it. The second is that a child does not suffer as much pain as a grown-up man because his membrane is still soft and his imagination weak; for a grown-up man would regard the thing, which he would imagine before it occurred, as terrible and hard. The third is that the parents of a child that is just born take lightly matters concerning it, for up to that time the imaginative form that compels the parents to love it is not yet consolidated. For this imaginative form increases through habitual contact and grows with the growth of the child. Then it begins to decrease and to disappear, I refer to this imaginative form. For the love of the father and of the mother for the child when it has just been born is not like their love for it when it is one year old, and their love for it when it is one year old is not like their love when it is six years old. Consequently if it were left uncircumcised for two or three years, this would necessitate the abandonment of circumcision because of the father's love and affection for it. At the time of its birth, on the other hand, this imaginative form is very weak, especially as far as concerns the father upon whom this commandment is imposed.

'Nuff said?

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22-10-2012, 09:02 AM
RE: Male Circumcision for Atheists?
Imagine if this were a custom to trim the labia of female genitalia. How loud do you think the protests from every women's group in the world would be?

This is clearly a sexism issue. I suspect women's groups that support male circumcision do so out of an innate hatred of men and a desire to mutilate them.

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