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08-02-2014, 06:44 PM
Mammals during the age of the dinosaurs?
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Im still looking into this but until I find an answer, what do you guys think? The website is not the most reliable but its a claim and I aim to at least look into!

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08-02-2014, 07:02 PM
RE: Mammals during the age of the dinosaurs?
There were quite a few mammals around at the time of the dinosaurs as mammals go back a couple of hundred million years. There are even thought to be primates for the last few million years of the Cretaceous.
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08-02-2014, 07:16 PM (This post was last modified: 08-02-2014 07:34 PM by Bucky Ball.)
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08-02-2014, 07:23 PM (This post was last modified: 08-02-2014 07:49 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Mammals during the age of the dinosaurs?
(08-02-2014 06:44 PM)Just Another Atheist Wrote:  http://www.seedoftruth.me/profiles/blogs...sil-layers


I' m still looking into this but until I find an answer, what do you guys think? The website is not the most reliable but its a claim and I aim to at least look into!

"Not the most reliable" ?
It's bullshit. Pure and simple crap.
It's pushing the Bible as science.

The are no fossils "found in the wrong place". Wherever they're found, they belong. We may be lacking a complete explanation for how and why they're found where they are, but NOTHING supports the claims of a "sudden creation". Nothing. If "millions of Americans tuned in" expecting to get the "truth" from Ham, then it's a testament to how totally ignorant the country is, with respect to Evolution, and science. This idiot needs to learn what "half-life" means, and when and how Carbon dating works.

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09-02-2014, 09:49 AM
RE: Mammals during the age of the dinosaurs?
First they lie about the two quotes. The first quote was never said by the man I checked. Also its no surprise mammals live with dinosaurs. They're ancestors synapsids evolved before the dinosaurs, so finding mammals before synapsids would be a problem. Also the second quote is by a creationist. Calvin works at the website creation.com which lied about its sources. The ducks were not ducks but gansus which are part of Gansus ducks are part of Anatidae, so they were not ducks. The giving the name of the animal already showed that lie. Also they didn't find a squirrel either, infact the source was even wrong. Look up the source they gave you in direct spelling nothing comes up, but replace squirrel with flying mammal and then you have the actual paper.http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v444/n7121/abs/nature05234.html No primitive badgers either.

The animal you state belongs to Gobiconodontidae and badgers belong to mustelidae. So thats not a badger. Also it's name means "reptile mammal"http://www.nhm.ac.uk/about-us/news/2005/jan/news_3711.html The beaver isn't a beaver either. It's costorocauda and it was in the family docodontidae, beavers were were in castoridae. Bees have first evolved in the early cretaceous so it is no suprise that bees are found along dinosaurs, cockroaches first evolve in the carboniferous before the first dinosaurs evolved (this is also where you want to find your mammals and bees). So the dating is not flawed because no modern mammal has been found in the mesozoic area, just prehistoric ones. Also the trex blood was not found soft it had to float in dermineralizing solution just to see what most of it was. "Soft tissues are preserved within hindlimb elements of Tyrannosaurus rex (Museum of the Rockies specimen 1125). Removal of the mineral phase reveals transparent, flexible, hollow blood vessels containing small round microstructures that can be expressed from the vessels into solution. Some regions of the demineralized bone matrix are highly fibrous, and the matrix possesses elasticity and resilience. Three populations of microstructures have cell-like morphology. Thus, some dinosaurian soft tissues may retain some of their original flexibility, elasticity, and resilience." This is from the actual paper http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/c...7/183.full .

They also found soft tissue showing a pregnant trex. But why don't creationist push this? It is because the tissue of the pregnant trex was the same as birds."Schweitzer viewed the tissues under both a light and an electron microscope, and found that the dinosaur tissues were virtually identical to those of the modern birds in form, location and distribution. Demineralization – the chemical removal of a bone’s minerals in order to obtain organic material that is much easier to work with in a lab environment – of the samples revealed that the medullary bone from the ostrich and emu was virtually identical in structure, orientation and even color, with that seen in the T. rex."http://www.ncsu.edu/news/press_releases/05_06/133.htm. Same with the blood that too is similar to birdshttp://news.ncsu.edu/releases/tpschweitzer-bone/

As the ostrich and trex proteins react the same to the propidium iodide. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/quotes/mine/part3.html this is for gould quote mine,

They also try to use the cambrian explosion forgeting that live already existed diversely before then and that transitional fossils like lobopods and pikaia(ancestor of chordta) existed in that time. Also the pegan belief has nothing to do with evolution, but order from chaos. Evolution discribes the diversity of life. For the other quote mine http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Expelled:_Leader's_Guide. Also the bible prophecy is not special other religions say the same about theirs.

sorry it is so long but i have actually saw the same article thanks to a youtuber. I wrote this in respones to him and of course they ignored it. Hope this helps

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09-02-2014, 03:27 PM
RE: Mammals during the age of the dinosaurs?
I have a PDF of a book about the origin of mammals if anyone is interested.
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09-02-2014, 04:15 PM
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(09-02-2014 03:27 PM)ghostexorcist Wrote:  I have a PDF of a book about the origin of mammals if anyone is interested.

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09-02-2014, 04:18 PM
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(09-02-2014 04:15 PM)Just Another Atheist Wrote:  
(09-02-2014 03:27 PM)ghostexorcist Wrote:  I have a PDF of a book about the origin of mammals if anyone is interested.

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10-02-2014, 01:20 PM
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(09-02-2014 09:49 AM)ThePaleolithicFreethinker Wrote:  First they lie about the two quotes. The first quote was never said by the man I checked. Also its no surprise mammals live with dinosaurs. They're ancestors synapsids evolved before the dinosaurs, so finding mammals before synapsids would be a problem. Also the second quote is by a creationist. Calvin works at the website creation.com which lied about its sources. The ducks were not ducks but gansus which are part of Gansus ducks are part of Anatidae, so they were not ducks. The giving the name of the animal already showed that lie. Also they didn't find a squirrel either, infact the source was even wrong. Look up the source they gave you in direct spelling nothing comes up, but replace squirrel with flying mammal and then you have the actual paper.http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v444/n7121/abs/nature05234.html No primitive badgers either.

The animal you state belongs to Gobiconodontidae and badgers belong to mustelidae. So thats not a badger. Also it's name means "reptile mammal"http://www.nhm.ac.uk/about-us/news/2005/jan/news_3711.html The beaver isn't a beaver either. It's costorocauda and it was in the family docodontidae, beavers were were in castoridae. Bees have first evolved in the early cretaceous so it is no suprise that bees are found along dinosaurs, cockroaches first evolve in the carboniferous before the first dinosaurs evolved (this is also where you want to find your mammals and bees). So the dating is not flawed because no modern mammal has been found in the mesozoic area, just prehistoric ones. Also the trex blood was not found soft it had to float in dermineralizing solution just to see what most of it was. "Soft tissues are preserved within hindlimb elements of Tyrannosaurus rex (Museum of the Rockies specimen 1125). Removal of the mineral phase reveals transparent, flexible, hollow blood vessels containing small round microstructures that can be expressed from the vessels into solution. Some regions of the demineralized bone matrix are highly fibrous, and the matrix possesses elasticity and resilience. Three populations of microstructures have cell-like morphology. Thus, some dinosaurian soft tissues may retain some of their original flexibility, elasticity, and resilience." This is from the actual paper http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/c...7/183.full .

They also found soft tissue showing a pregnant trex. But why don't creationist push this? It is because the tissue of the pregnant trex was the same as birds."Schweitzer viewed the tissues under both a light and an electron microscope, and found that the dinosaur tissues were virtually identical to those of the modern birds in form, location and distribution. Demineralization – the chemical removal of a bone’s minerals in order to obtain organic material that is much easier to work with in a lab environment – of the samples revealed that the medullary bone from the ostrich and emu was virtually identical in structure, orientation and even color, with that seen in the T. rex."http://www.ncsu.edu/news/press_releases/05_06/133.htm. Same with the blood that too is similar to birdshttp://news.ncsu.edu/releases/tpschweitzer-bone/

As the ostrich and trex proteins react the same to the propidium iodide. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/quotes/mine/part3.html this is for gould quote mine,

They also try to use the cambrian explosion forgeting that live already existed diversely before then and that transitional fossils like lobopods and pikaia(ancestor of chordta) existed in that time. Also the pegan belief has nothing to do with evolution, but order from chaos. Evolution discribes the diversity of life. For the other quote mine http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Expelled:_Leader's_Guide. Also the bible prophecy is not special other religions say the same about theirs.

sorry it is so long but i have actually saw the same article thanks to a youtuber. I wrote this in respones to him and of course they ignored it. Hope this helps

Did you actually respond to him with this? Dave Rooslet is the guy I was talking to and I believe he is the owner of the website!

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12-02-2014, 03:51 AM
RE: Mammals during the age of the dinosaurs?
(10-02-2014 01:20 PM)Just Another Atheist Wrote:  Did you actually respond to him with this? Dave Rooslet is the guy I was talking to and I believe he is the owner of the website!

No it was to another youtuber. If I sent this to him he would just delete it and say he never got the message.

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