Man's God-Given Dominion Over Animals
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24-04-2017, 10:51 PM (This post was last modified: 25-04-2017 04:02 PM by ghostexorcist.)
Man's God-Given Dominion Over Animals
Genesis 1:26 states:

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

This passage has long been cited or paraphrased by people claiming man is superior to animals. However, the archaeological record shows this perceived superiority appeared late in man's history. The European cave paintings of the Upper Paleolithic (50k-10k years ago) show that man had a healthy, if not fearful, respect for animals as they were their main food source and main antagonists. This respect is shown through the highly naturalistic depictions of the animals and their behaviors, which suggests the artists analyzed the creatures at length. Hominins lived alongside animals for millions of years, so it’s no surprise then that early man would view them as equals.

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A pride of lions chasing bison, from Chauvet Cave in France, 32,000 years old

However, hunter-gatherers of 10th millennia BCE Turkey started to set man apart from animals. Evidence from Gobekli Tepe, a 12,000 year old religious site, suggests these Neolithic people believed in a spirit realm inhabited by ancestors and animals, and the only person capable of mediating between this world and the next was a shaman. This is best illustrated by the massive, T-shaped monuments erected by these people. The tops are adorned with animal spirit reliefs, while the supports are shaped like human figures. Thus man takes a centralized role in controlling animal spirits. This belief was no doubt influenced by the logistics of such a site. Building such large monoliths would have called for the division of labor, involving religious leaders directing artisans and work crews to erect the stones. And having so many people—who normally lived nomadic lifestyles—in one place in one time would have called for lots of food, which would create the need for certain people to specialize in the pooling of wild game and grains (the earliest precursor of farmers and animal and plant domestication). One can see how the concept of a social hierarchy and the domestication of wild game could lead to the idea of animals being inferior.

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The teasing and baiting of a stag from Catalhoyuk

This is what we find in the 9,000 year old Turkish settlement of Catalhoyuk, which was built sometime after hunter-gatherers transitioned to a sedentary lifestyle and began the domestication of animals and grain. According to Ian Hodder, “In the art of Catalhoyuk humans are shown teasing, baiting, and dominating oversized bulls and other wild animals, in stark contrast to Paleolithic art". So domestication played a large role in the concept of man’s superiority over animals. We don't have God-given dominion over animals, we're just full of ourselves.
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24-04-2017, 11:28 PM
RE: Man's God-Given Dominion Over Animals
Yabut... the ability to domesticate animals was god-given.

Not all animals, obviously, because that's a 'test'. Lecture_preist

You know it makes sense.

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25-04-2017, 12:29 AM
RE: Man's God-Given Dominion Over Animals
(24-04-2017 11:28 PM)DLJ Wrote:  Yabut... the ability to domesticate animals was god-given.

Not all animals, obviously, because that's a 'test'. Lecture_preist

You know it makes sense.

Wink

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...... so what are the theological implications of dogs basically domesticating themselves before humans got a grasp on domestication, and how does that mesh with them being unclean animals?
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25-04-2017, 02:53 AM
RE: Man's God-Given Dominion Over Animals
(25-04-2017 12:29 AM)Reltzik Wrote:  
(24-04-2017 11:28 PM)DLJ Wrote:  Yabut... the ability to domesticate animals was god-given.

Not all animals, obviously, because that's a 'test'. Lecture_preist

You know it makes sense.

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.....

...... so what are the theological implications of dogs basically domesticating themselves before humans got a grasp on domestication, and how does that mesh with them being unclean animals?

Well... that's an easy one, my child Lecture_preist for anyone who has studied the ancient ways.

There are two sides to the domestication-equation ... dogs wanted to become domesticated as the saw the superiority of man.

They saw man building his shrines and temples and saw the grain being grown and the grain being used to attract and control small mammals e.g. rabbits.

The wild dogs (proto-wolves) did a cost-benefit analysis of their current tactics - hunting, scavenging of other animals and man-babies - and compared that to the farming idea they witnessed but did not fully comprehend.

They wanted to get themselves some of that rabbit-snack action so formed dominance hierarchies within their own packs to mimic what they saw in man. But their own attempts to breed rabbits failed due to their inability to control the rabbits for longer than one meal time.

They asked god, "Any ideas bro?" and god suggested becoming subservient to man. And behold, dogs did some major sucking up by driving animals towards the man-camps and barking "Here, you go. Cook these." And from there a tentative relationship started to grow.

In the process, dogs outvolved their ability to do cost-benefit analysis.

As GE in the OP pointed out, man respected animals for their different skills, speed, agility, furriness etc. in this case, the ability to lick their own balls, but did not let that respect stop them from realising their own superiority and utilising the god-given domestication skills.

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25-04-2017, 03:01 AM
RE: Man's God-Given Dominion Over Animals
Dominion is actually the naming of things. Besides, all that eggheadese you regurgitated is impossible being all over 6k years old and shit. Laugh out load

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25-04-2017, 05:05 AM
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Some days you eat bear, some days the bear eats you.


Just ask Timothy Treadwell.



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25-04-2017, 04:21 PM
RE: Man's God-Given Dominion Over Animals
(24-04-2017 11:28 PM)DLJ Wrote:  Yabut... the ability to domesticate animals was god-given.

Not all animals, obviously, because that's a 'test'. Lecture_preist

You know it makes sense.

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25-04-2017, 04:42 PM
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Thing is, if you are going to raise them for food, you can't feel empathy for them. Empathy for animals had to go.

We are perfectly able to feel empathy for them (depending on what our individual general capacity to feel empathy is), but we would not be hunting or raising animals for food if we were to cry every time an animal suffered.

So we blocked it out and rationalized it away for generations and generations.

In reality - they just evolved different abilities than we did, their adaptation to environment was different. We don't even have much of a clue what they really perceive since all we can do is measure them against ourselves.

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25-04-2017, 05:35 PM
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The bible also states that that animals feared and dreaded man. (Genesis 9:2) This never made sense to me, there are too many examples of animals that don't fear man, there are also many examples where animals are friendly with us and very good companions.

Why wouldn't all animals back down from us when we came close to them?

The world simply did not fit this biblical assertion.

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25-04-2017, 10:26 PM
RE: Man's God-Given Dominion Over Animals
(25-04-2017 02:53 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(25-04-2017 12:29 AM)Reltzik Wrote:  .....

...... so what are the theological implications of dogs basically domesticating themselves before humans got a grasp on domestication, and how does that mesh with them being unclean animals?

Well... that's an easy one, my child Lecture_preist for anyone who has studied the ancient ways.

There are two sides to the domestication-equation ... dogs wanted to become domesticated as the saw the superiority of man.

They saw man building his shrines and temples and saw the grain being grown and the grain being used to attract and control small mammals e.g. rabbits.

The wild dogs (proto-wolves) did a cost-benefit analysis of their current tactics - hunting, scavenging of other animals and man-babies - and compared that to the farming idea they witnessed but did not fully comprehend.

They wanted to get themselves some of that rabbit-snack action so formed dominance hierarchies within their own packs to mimic what they saw in man. But their own attempts to breed rabbits failed due to their inability to control the rabbits for longer than one meal time.

They asked god, "Any ideas bro?" and god suggested becoming subservient to man. And behold, dogs did some major sucking up by driving animals towards the man-camps and barking "Here, you go. Cook these." And from there a tentative relationship started to grow.

In the process, dogs outvolved their ability to do cost-benefit analysis.

As GE in the OP pointed out, man respected animals for their different skills, speed, agility, furriness etc. in this case, the ability to lick their own balls, but did not let that respect stop them from realising their own superiority and utilising the god-given domestication skills.

Yes

.... but dogs were domesticated BEFORE agriculture started...
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