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10-01-2014, 07:02 PM (This post was last modified: 10-01-2014 07:22 PM by GirlyMan.)
Maryland to go Full Swiss Monty on Health Care
Frank should be pleased with the People's Republic of Maryland. Big Grin

Maryland’s plan to upend health care spending

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10-01-2014, 07:05 PM
RE: Maryland to go Full Swiss on Health Care
Sounds like a Communist Nazi Fascist Freemason Muslim Socialist Gun-toting Liberal Obamacare conspiracy, Girly.

Better get out before they close the borders and put you in a FEMA Death Camp.

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10-01-2014, 07:23 PM
RE: Maryland to go Full Swiss on Health Care
Well you are somewhat late.........

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That`s an edict from 1883 announcing the interduction of social healthcare in Germany.

It was interduced in the kingdome of Prussia earlier by a conservative government under Bismark to get the political lefts support for his wars against Austria, Denmark and France.

*stabs* during a time when you were killing each other over the question "is slavery ok?"

Kind of funny how people see it a nazi and communist thing in the US, since
first off: those two ideologies dont compute and 60 million dead people should be proof of that.
second: Social healthcare was interduced in Germany 10 years before Hitler was born and before the concept of naziism even existed.
third: Social healthcare was interduced in Prussia before the political concept of socialism even existed as a force in politics.
fourth: social healthcare was invented by the scandinavians, not by Germans, Russians or even worse but unlikely: German, Commie Nazis in Soviet Russia!!!

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10-01-2014, 07:24 PM
RE: Maryland to go Full Swiss Monty on Health Care
(10-01-2014 07:05 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Sounds like a Communist Nazi Fascist Freemason Muslim Socialist Gun-toting Liberal Obamacare conspiracy, Girly.

Better get out before they close the borders and put you in a FEMA Death Camp.

there's this goddam ankle bracelet and its 5 mile radius and shit.

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10-01-2014, 07:51 PM (This post was last modified: 10-01-2014 08:02 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Maryland to go Full Swiss Monty on Health Care
(10-01-2014 07:23 PM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  Well you are somewhat late.........

[Image: Deutsches_Reichsgesetzblatt_1883_009_073.jpg]

That`s an edict from 1883 announcing the interduction of social healthcare in Germany.

It was interduced in the kingdome of Prussia earlier by a conservative government under Bismark to get the political lefts support for his wars against Austria, Denmark and France.

*stabs* during a time when you were killing each other over the question "is slavery ok?"

That's one of the best stabs I've ever seen. Big Grin Big Grin Thumbsup

(10-01-2014 07:23 PM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  Kind of funny how people see it a nazi and communist thing in the US, since
first off: those two ideologies dont compute and 60 million dead people should be proof of that.
second: Social healthcare was interduced in Germany 10 years before Hitler was born and before the concept of naziism even existed.
third: Social healthcare was interduced in Prussia before the political concept of socialism even existed as a force in politics.
fourth: social healthcare was invented by the scandinavians, not by Germans, Russians or even worse but unlikely: German, Commie Nazis in Soviet Russia!!!

Fuckin' Krauts. Yes those are all excellent points but have nothing to do with me tickling a hair up libertarian Frank "I Love Switzerland" 's ass. ... Fucking party-pooping Krauts.


Actually I learned new things from your post so thanks! I regret that I can't help fucking with you anyway. ... Consider ... No I really don't..

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12-01-2014, 09:47 PM
RE: Maryland to go Full Swiss Monty on Health Care
(10-01-2014 07:51 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  have nothing to do with me tickling a hair up libertarian Frank "I Love Switzerland" 's ass.

Girly, after all our debating stuff, how can you say that? Come on, how many times do I need to repeat this... This post doesn't get up my ass at all. Sure, I don't favor ever forcing people to do things against their will. BUT, as I've said many times, I accept a compromise that you non-libertarians can force people to do anything you want at gunpoint so long as you allow people to leave no strings attached and take up residency somewhere else. I've made the pledge many, many times that the ONLY time I will push back against you non-libertarians is when you wave your guns around and do not let people escape who find it too extreme. So, did Maryland close the border and say you guys aren't allowed to escape? Or did they say law applies whether you live in Maryland or not? Is there no other place you're legally allowed to live if you find the Maryland law too oppressive?

I suppose the answer is 'no' to all those questions. Therefore I have no problem with anything Maryland does. Maryland does a bunch of stuff I don't like, so I wouldn't choose to live there. But, the only time I push back against you guys is when you're so arrogant and sure that you're right that you won't even make room for alternate view points, and insist that, to save people from their own stupidity, you have the right to force us at gunpoint to do what you think is best for us, and you won't let us flee your persecution, pursuing us every where that we're legally allowed to live.

For example, although I think the war on drugs takes stupidity to a whole new level, I'm not going to push back if you guys, in Maryland decide to ban pot. The only time I get outraged is when this self-confessed former stoner in the White House insists that even if the majority in Colorado and Washington feel pot should be legal, he's still going to hunt them down and lock them up and destroy their lives for following in his footsteps and doing what he did in his youth. There's no escaping federal drug laws. Even if 100% of the people in California think there's nothing wrong with pot, the DEA insists there's no escape, that their laws apply to every American in every place they're legally allowed to reside, because they know better than Californians what's best for them and will send in Federal Marshalls to save them from their own stupidity if they resist some Federal law.

Your comment that I'd somehow object to what Maryland is doing indicates that the message I'm trying to convey hasn't sunk in.
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12-01-2014, 09:53 PM
RE: Maryland to go Full Swiss Monty on Health Care
P.S. They key to that article is "The new plan, which has been under negotiation for more than a year, could leave Maryland looking more like Germany and Switzerland, which aggressively regulate prices, than its neighboring states. And it could serve as a model - or cautionary tale - for other states looking to follow in its footsteps."

In other words, if it turns out to be a bad idea, the damage will be self-limiting since other states won't try it. This is different than, say, Obamacare, which, imo, is orders of magnitude more stupid than what they're doing in Maryland, but the damage can never be undone. Obamcare applies to every state, and we know that no matter how bad medical care becomes, Democrats are NEVER going to say "Yeap, we caused that. Sorry." Instead, lots of people will get very rich off Obamacare and will always spin it and promote it and never let it go even if millions of people are dying in the streets. And since there won't be any states without Obamacare, we won't have anything to compare against, and no way to prove the damage Obamacare does.
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13-01-2014, 05:32 PM (This post was last modified: 13-01-2014 06:00 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Maryland to go Full Swiss Monty on Health Care
(12-01-2014 09:47 PM)frankksj Wrote:  
(10-01-2014 07:51 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  have nothing to do with me tickling a hair up libertarian Frank "I Love Switzerland" 's ass.

Girly, after all our debating stuff, how can you say that? Come on, how many times do I need to repeat this... This post doesn't get up my ass at all. ... Your comment that I'd somehow object to what Maryland is doing indicates that the message I'm trying to convey hasn't sunk in.

And you know I'm just teasing you. Tongue

(12-01-2014 09:47 PM)frankksj Wrote:  Is there no other place you're legally allowed to live if you find the Maryland law too oppressive?

It depends on the individual's terms of probation, the radius of their ankle bracelet, and in some cases, formal agreements with the neighboring States. ... Except for Delaware. Everyone's allowed to move to Delaware but nobody wants to.

(12-01-2014 09:47 PM)frankksj Wrote:  For example, although I think the war on drugs takes stupidity to a whole new level, I'm not going to push back if you guys, in Maryland decide to ban pot.

We're getting close to legalizing it, it's just that all of our State Senators and Representatives are too stoned to realize they haven't passed the necessary legislation yet.

(12-01-2014 09:53 PM)frankksj Wrote:  P.S. They key to that article is "The new plan, which has been under negotiation for more than a year, could leave Maryland looking more like Germany and Switzerland, which aggressively regulate prices, than its neighboring states. And it could serve as a model - or cautionary tale - for other states looking to follow in its footsteps."

In other words, if it turns out to be a bad idea, the damage will be self-limiting since other states won't try it.

Yup, that's us. Let Maryland try it first. "Aye, we'll give it a run." We've been the only State setting prices on hospitals for years instead of letting insurance companies negotiate their own. This is an attempt to rectify the problem of providing hospitals the perverse incentive of running as many tests and doing as many procedures as possible whether medically necessary or not by providing them with a fixed budget in addition to the price fixing. This is analogous to your point that providing individual health care results in an increased incentive to use health care that may not be medically necessary as well as increased tendencies towards riskier lifestyle choices (yes, I researched it myself and I found a number of studies which support your claim, some of which even indicate that the mere anticipation of receiving health care in the future results in riskier lifestyle choices years in advance) and is also analogous to your suggestion that individuals be provided a fixed dollar amount for their health care.

(12-01-2014 09:53 PM)frankksj Wrote:  This is different than, say, Obamacare, which, imo, is orders of magnitude more stupid than what they're doing in Maryland, but the damage can never be undone. Obamcare applies to every state, ...

The stupid States are the ones who didn't start their own exchanges and have literally let the Federal Government into their backyard to manage it for them instead of having the flexibility to experiment with shit like Maryland can. That was not an unintended consequence, that was a foreseeable consequence. But we've already agreed to that.

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13-01-2014, 05:49 PM
RE: Maryland to go Full Swiss Monty on Health Care
(13-01-2014 05:32 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  This is analogous to your point that providing individual health care results in an increased incentive to use health care that may not be medically necessary as well as increased tendencies towards riskier lifestyle choices (yes, I researched it myself and I found a number of studies which support your claim, some of which even indicate that the mere anticipation of receiving health care in the future results in more riskier lifestyle choices years in advance) and is also analogous to your suggestion that individuals be provided a fixed dollar amount for their health care.

Thx, Girly, for doing me a solid...

Ok, all you liberals who attacked me mercilessly for suggesting insurance might introduce unwanted behavior... Girly just said the same thing. Are you going to tell him he's the stupidest person on the planet, or that he lives in some fantasy world, or needs to take his meds, like you did me? I kind of doubt it. It's pretty funny that if a fellow liberal says something it becomes uncontroversial, whereas if a libertarian says the same thing, we need to be locked up in a mental hospital. Rolleyes
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13-01-2014, 06:28 PM
RE: Maryland to go Full Swiss Monty on Health Care
(13-01-2014 05:49 PM)frankksj Wrote:  Thx, Girly, for doing me a solid...

Ok, all you liberals who attacked me mercilessly for suggesting insurance might introduce unwanted behavior... Girly just said the same thing. ... It's pretty funny that if a fellow liberal says something it becomes uncontroversial, whereas if a libertarian says the same thing, we need to be locked up in a mental hospital.


psst, Frank. ...


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Although in the Peoples Republic of Maryland that probably still qualifies as "liberal" relative to much of the rest of the country. Big Grin

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