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18-07-2016, 10:14 AM
RE: Math and God
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18-07-2016, 10:39 AM
RE: Math and God
(25-02-2013 02:09 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Math is simply a language we humans use when the details of what we are trying to describe become so complex that natural language no longer suffices.

You can describe math in other languages; it's just longer. That's what a story problem is. Math is just a short-hand language to more easily codify these things.
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18-07-2016, 12:00 PM
RE: Math and God
(18-07-2016 08:56 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(27-02-2013 04:30 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Infinity is not a number but rather a concept...so how do you add 1 to it or square it?

Totally false.
Ramanujan proved that specific numbers can be the sums of infinite "nested" square roots. (4th equation, Chapter12, page 105 of his first notebook, and proposed in the 3rd Volume of the Indian Mathematical Society, question 289, circa 1911.)

Premise 1: On an unbounded number line, for every number there exists a unique identifiable point that corresponds to it.
Premise 2: On an unbounded number line, there is no unique identifiable point that corresponds to infinity.
Conclusion: Infinity is not a number.

Now consider the following statements:
Statement A: Heywood's above argument is not valid and/or true.
Statement B: Ramanujan got it wrong.
Statement C: Bucky misinterpreted Ramanujan.

Only one of those statements is true. Can you figure out which one?
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18-07-2016, 12:25 PM
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FacepalmFacepalmFacepalmFacepalmFacepalm*so much facepalm*

Numbers are not a fixed concept in mathematics! The definition of numbers varies based on the problem and the context. For a given problem, a mathematician might be using just the natural numbers, or just integers, or just rational numbers, or just real numbers, or just complex numbers. Infinity is not a number in any of these sets. OR a mathematician might use the extended reals... where infinity IS a number.

Whether infinity is a number isn't a question of fact. It's a matter of selecting the right tool for the job (and being clear to everyone which tool you're using).
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18-07-2016, 12:29 PM (This post was last modified: 18-07-2016 04:19 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Math and God
(18-07-2016 12:00 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(18-07-2016 08:56 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Totally false.
Ramanujan proved that specific numbers can be the sums of infinite "nested" square roots. (4th equation, Chapter12, page 105 of his first notebook, and proposed in the 3rd Volume of the Indian Mathematical Society, question 289, circa 1911.)

Premise 1: On an unbounded number line, for every number there exists a unique identifiable point that corresponds to it.
Premise 2: On an unbounded number line, there is no unique identifiable point that corresponds to infinity.
Conclusion: Infinity is not a number.

Now consider the following statements:
Statement A: Heywood's above argument is not valid and/or true.
Statement B: Ramanujan got it wrong.
Statement C: Bucky misinterpreted Ramanujan.

Only one of those statements is true. Can you figure out which one?

Wrong. It's the "hasty generalization fallacy".
Your conclusion does not follow, necessarily from your premises.
"Hasty generalization usually shows this pattern :
1.X is true for A.
2.X is true for B.
3.Therefore, X is true for C, D, etc."


1. Considering that in almost 100 years, not one mathematician has refuted Ramanujan, and you have not either,
2. Considering that you are a fool, and he was a genius,
3. Considering you know nothing about Ramanujan,
4. Considering you are not a mathematician,

5. most important of all, (and the proof you ARE a fool), you have it precisely backwards. Ramanujan's theorm does not say "infinity is a number", it says that an infinite sum of nested square roots is a number.

(You don't even know what the fucking equation he used to DEMONSTRATE the theorem he PROVED.)

Maybe your Jebus could send in someone with a brain.

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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18-07-2016, 12:34 PM
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Trying to use a scientific discipline in order to provide supporting evidence for a uncientific concept (self-contradictory, unfalsifiable, not part of the natural world) is either

1) the ultimate dishonesty
or
2) the last straw of someone who has nothing to support (t)his concept, nothing.at.all

Ceterum censeo, religionem delendam esse
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18-07-2016, 01:34 PM
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(18-07-2016 12:25 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  Infinity is not a number in any of these sets. OR a mathematician might use the extended reals... where infinity IS a number.

Even with extended reals infinity is just treated like a real number, but it is not a real number.

Quote:The improper elements, the affine infinities +infty and -infty, correspond to ideal points of the number line. Note that these improper elements are not real numbers, and that this system of extended real numbers is not a field.

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/AffinelyExt...mbers.html
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18-07-2016, 01:44 PM
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(25-02-2013 02:09 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  If we assume for a moment that God does indeed exist can He be describe by math?
How many gods are there?
How many sons did the god have?
How many eyes did he have?
How many legs?
How many noses?
How many apostles did the god's son have?
How many entities are there in the trinity?
How many days has it been since he died?
How long until the second coming?
How many people must pray until a prayer can come true?
How many times are you to be baptised?
How many partners can you marry?
How many times can you get divorced?
How many types of cloth can your clothes be made of?
How many times can you masturbate?
How many abortions can you have?
how much evidence is there for the existence of god?
How many miracles have been observed to have happened?
How many people have died and come back to life three days later?
How many people have walked on water?
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18-07-2016, 03:48 PM
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What about the fact that everything can be exactly defined within mathematics?

Doesn't that hint at intelligent design?

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18-07-2016, 04:00 PM
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At work.
Hello Pops. Smile

(18-07-2016 03:48 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  What about the fact that everything can be exactly defined within mathematics?

Doesn't that hint at intelligent design?

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

No.
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