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18-07-2016, 04:01 PM
RE: Math and God
(18-07-2016 04:00 PM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  At work.
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(18-07-2016 03:48 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  What about the fact that everything can be exactly defined within mathematics?

Doesn't that hint at intelligent design?

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No.
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Why not?

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18-07-2016, 04:09 PM
RE: Math and God
(18-07-2016 03:48 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  What about the fact that everything can be exactly defined within mathematics?

Doesn't that hint at intelligent design?

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Of the system designed to express things by parts, yes.

You know it is truely amazing how the system designed to work in a way works in a way.

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18-07-2016, 04:20 PM
RE: Math and God
(18-07-2016 03:48 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  What about the fact that everything can be exactly defined within mathematics?

Doesn't that hint at intelligent design?

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It can't. Obviously you never heard of differential calculus.
"As x approaches y, y approaches z".
Sound familiar ?

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18-07-2016, 04:25 PM
RE: Math and God
(18-07-2016 01:34 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(18-07-2016 12:25 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  Infinity is not a number in any of these sets. OR a mathematician might use the extended reals... where infinity IS a number.

Even with extended reals infinity is just treated like a real number, but it is not a real number.

Quote:The improper elements, the affine infinities +infty and -infty, correspond to ideal points of the number line. Note that these improper elements are not real numbers, and that this system of extended real numbers is not a field.

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/AffinelyExt...mbers.html

Argh! Equivocation!

"Real" numbers in this context refers to numbers that can be constructed as limits of convergent series from the rationals. (Or about a half dozen other ways of defining them that amount to the same thing.) "Real", as used here, is a technical mathematical term that is not at all correspondent to what "real" means in everyday conversation. Blame Descartes and his prejudice against "imaginary" numbers... yes, he got to name those too.
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18-07-2016, 04:28 PM
RE: Math and God
(18-07-2016 03:48 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  What about the fact that everything can be exactly defined within mathematics?

Doesn't that hint at intelligent design?

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The set of all normal sets cannot be exactly defined within mathematics. Let's take that as proof that there ISN'T intelligent design, shall we? Or perhaps be honest and admit that the two concepts HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER.
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18-07-2016, 04:34 PM
RE: Math and God
Advanced mathematics is like quantum mechanics.

The moment someone tries to bring it up in a discussion about philosophy, you know that their argument is complete bunk.

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18-07-2016, 04:44 PM
RE: Math and God
(18-07-2016 04:34 PM)Unbeliever Wrote:  Advanced mathematics is like quantum mechanics.

The moment someone tries to bring it up in a discussion about philosophy, you know that their argument is complete bunk.

Also, if they've brought up quantum mechanics, they've also inadvertently brought up advanced mathematics.
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18-07-2016, 04:50 PM
RE: Math and God
(18-07-2016 03:48 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  What about the fact that everything can be approximately defined within mathematics?

fixed.

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18-07-2016, 05:44 PM
RE: Math and God
(18-07-2016 04:44 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  
(18-07-2016 04:34 PM)Unbeliever Wrote:  Advanced mathematics is like quantum mechanics.

The moment someone tries to bring it up in a discussion about philosophy, you know that their argument is complete bunk.

Also, if they've brought up quantum mechanics, they've also inadvertently brought up advanced mathematics.

Yes, but they rarely realize it. Try to explain that and their heads are likely to explode.

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18-07-2016, 06:20 PM
RE: Math and God
(18-07-2016 12:00 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(18-07-2016 08:56 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Totally false.
Ramanujan proved that specific numbers can be the sums of infinite "nested" square roots. (4th equation, Chapter12, page 105 of his first notebook, and proposed in the 3rd Volume of the Indian Mathematical Society, question 289, circa 1911.)

Premise 1: On an unbounded number line, for every number there exists a unique identifiable point that corresponds to it.
Premise 2: On an unbounded number line, there is no unique identifiable point that corresponds to infinity.
Conclusion: Infinity is not a number.

Now consider the following statements:
Statement A: Heywood's above argument is not valid and/or true.
Statement B: Ramanujan got it wrong.
Statement C: Bucky misinterpreted Ramanujan.

Only one of those statements is true. Can you figure out which one?

Statement A is correct. Premise 2 can be shown to be invalid. Kindly observe:

- Every integer is infinitely divisible. Between 0 and 1 lies 1/2, between 0 and 1/2 lies 1/4, 1/8, 1/16....1/(2^infinity).

- If we number each fraction between two integers we will reach infinity.

- Better, the same can be said for any two fractions between integers.

So infinity exists on your number line between 0 and 1 (or any two arbitrary integers) and it is present an infinite number of times.

Welcome to the wonderful world of cardinality.

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