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09-07-2015, 09:53 AM (This post was last modified: 09-07-2015 12:07 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Mathmatical argument against life elsewhere in the universe
(09-07-2015 09:49 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(09-07-2015 08:52 AM)Chas Wrote:  When we talk about life in the universe, we usually refer to any kind of life - anything at all. If we are talking about other intelligent life, then we specifically say "intelligent life" so that there is no confusion.

The probability that life of some kind exists somewhere other than Earth is a near certainty given the number of possible places.

It can only be near certain, if we can gather what the probability of life arising at all would be. It could just as well be true all the conditions and factors for life of any sort, not only to be able to exist, but also arising on another planet is astronomically small, that all the possible places couldn't even compete with it. Most places are extremely hostile to life existing on it. And if there were some that weren't, that doesn't particularly mean that life would inevitably rise on it. I don't think we can be certain in any way shape of form about this. We can speculate that it's possible, but not with any real confidence one way or the other. Even if we're not speaking of humanoid life, which is far more unlikely.

We can infer what the probability is, by looking at the conditions here. We know there are millions if not billions of planets that have Earth-like conditions. (You can compute the probability yourself using the Drake equation. Most are hostile. That still leaves countless others. OF COURSE "humanoid" life doesn't exist elsewhere, you dumbshit. Humans ONLY exist on Earth. Gasp ... Weeping

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09-07-2015, 10:04 AM (This post was last modified: 09-07-2015 10:31 AM by Tomasia.)
Mathmatical argument against life elsewhere in the universe
(09-07-2015 09:53 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  We can infer what the probability is, by looking at the conditions here. We know there are millions if not billions of planets that have Earth-like conditions. (You can comoute the probability yourself using the Drake equation. Most are hostile. That still leaves countless others.

Even if there were other planets in which life could exist, which were not hostile to life. That doesn't mean that life would inevitably arise on it. There could just as well be many earth-like planets in which no life exists at all.

Quote:OF COURSE "humanoid" life doesn't exist elsewhere, you dumbshit. Humans ONLY exist on Earth. Gasp ... Weeping

Uhm, humanoid doesn't mean the same thing as human.

" This species did not have to look perfectly human, but it did have to have our refined mentality (call it “humanoid”). "

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09-07-2015, 11:42 AM
RE: Mathmatical argument against life elsewhere in the universe
(09-07-2015 06:01 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  You may like this one -- I read this in Omni magazine back in the 90's ---

by Terry Bisson

http://www.terrybisson.com/page6/page6.html

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09-07-2015, 12:08 PM
RE: Mathmatical argument against life elsewhere in the universe
(09-07-2015 10:04 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(09-07-2015 09:53 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  We can infer what the probability is, by looking at the conditions here. We know there are millions if not billions of planets that have Earth-like conditions. (You can comoute the probability yourself using the Drake equation. Most are hostile. That still leaves countless others.

Even if there were other planets in which life could exist, which were not hostile to life. That doesn't mean that life would inevitably arise on it. There could just as well be many earth-like planets in which no life exists at all.

Quote:OF COURSE "humanoid" life doesn't exist elsewhere, you dumbshit. Humans ONLY exist on Earth. Gasp ... Weeping

Uhm, humanoid doesn't mean the same thing as human.

" This species did not have to look perfectly human, but it did have to have our refined mentality (call it “humanoid”). "

https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com...nevitable/

And you know that how ? Scientific references REQUIRED.

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09-07-2015, 12:09 PM
RE: Mathmatical argument against life elsewhere in the universe
(09-07-2015 10:04 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(09-07-2015 09:53 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  We can infer what the probability is, by looking at the conditions here. We know there are millions if not billions of planets that have Earth-like conditions. (You can comoute the probability yourself using the Drake equation. Most are hostile. That still leaves countless others.

Even if there were other planets in which life could exist, which were not hostile to life. That doesn't mean that life would inevitably arise on it. There could just as well be many earth-like planets in which no life exists at all.

Quote:OF COURSE "humanoid" life doesn't exist elsewhere, you dumbshit. Humans ONLY exist on Earth. Gasp ... Weeping

Uhm, humanoid doesn't mean the same thing as human.

" This species did not have to look perfectly human, but it did have to have our refined mentality (call it “humanoid”). "

https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com...nevitable/

No. It has to have human genes.

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09-07-2015, 12:28 PM
RE: Mathmatical argument against life elsewhere in the universe
(09-07-2015 12:09 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  No. It has to have human genes.

No, it doesn't.

Quote:And you know that how ? Scientific references REQUIRED.

You want a scientific reference for the definition of a humanoid?
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09-07-2015, 12:51 PM
RE: Mathmatical argument against life elsewhere in the universe
(09-07-2015 11:42 AM)jockmcdock Wrote:  
(09-07-2015 06:01 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  You may like this one -- I read this in Omni magazine back in the 90's ---

by Terry Bisson

http://www.terrybisson.com/page6/page6.html

Omni used to be a great magazine back in the 80s. It started to get a bit woo-ey towards the end.


I've still got the very first edition..... I guess I quit reading it in the mid 80's...

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09-07-2015, 01:06 PM
RE: Mathmatical argument against life elsewhere in the universe
Sadly, SETI is a perfect example of humanity's lack of imagination. It is so hard for us to imagine anything not like us.

The exact conditions for the formation of earth-like life could have been replicated on a star a mere light year away. Those conditions could have resulted in the evolution of beings exactly like us. But.

Unless they are the same time scale as us it won't make a bit of difference. If they were a mere 10,000 years behind us....not even the blink of an eye in astrophysical terms...they'd still be chipping flakes off of flint rocks to make tools not broadcasting or receiving radiowaves.

And if they were 10,000 years ahead of us they would have either blown each other to bits, poisoned themselves as we are currently doing or decided that we are not worth talking to.

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09-07-2015, 01:12 PM (This post was last modified: 09-07-2015 01:22 PM by onlinebiker.)
RE: Mathmatical argument against life elsewhere in the universe
(09-07-2015 01:06 PM)Minimalist Wrote:  Sadly, SETI is a perfect example of humanity's lack of imagination. It is so hard for us to imagine anything not like us.

The exact conditions for the formation of earth-like life could have been replicated on a star a mere light year away. Those conditions could have resulted in the evolution of beings exactly like us. But.

Unless they are the same time scale as us it won't make a bit of difference. If they were a mere 10,000 years behind us....not even the blink of an eye in astrophysical terms...they'd still be chipping flakes off of flint rocks to make tools not broadcasting or receiving radiowaves.

And if they were 10,000 years ahead of us they would have either blown each other to bits, poisoned themselves as we are currently doing or decided that we are not worth talking to.

Or we simply don't have a "radio quiet" enough spot to be able to pick out the signals - which would be ridiculously faint. There is NO place on earth that isn't continually bombarded with terrestrial radio signals - which bounce off the atmosphere.

I'd be in favor of a SETI type station on the far side of the moon.... Pretty radio quiet there.. But not silent -- I know of ham radio operators who have worked moon bounce, and even Venus bounce signals...

And --
They don't need to be thousands of years different in terms of development from us -- only a couple hundred.... We've only been broadcasting signals that would escape the atmosphere (over 40 mhz) only since WWII........

In terms of development -- we're the new guys on the block ........

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09-07-2015, 01:56 PM (This post was last modified: 09-07-2015 07:08 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Mathmatical argument against life elsewhere in the universe
(09-07-2015 12:28 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(09-07-2015 12:09 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  No. It has to have human genes.

No, it doesn't.

Quote:And you know that how ? Scientific references REQUIRED.

You want a scientific reference for the definition of a humanoid?

No. That's just too stupid for a discussion. A "humanoid" has some relationshio to a human (ie Homo sapiens). Any life form elsewhere would have NO relationship to humans.

I want references for EVERYTHING you say about life elsewhere and what science you base anything you say, on.

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