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06-12-2010, 08:24 AM
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I am not alone Big Grin !!!
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06-12-2010, 12:39 PM
 
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I like meat. I'm not an animal lover I'll say that out right. I don't have anything what so ever against them, but I've never understood "loving" them. I mean why is a cow any more worth eating than a horse, a dog, or a cat. Dog's are man's best freind because we made them that. I don't want any living thing tortured or beaten, but I also don't buy little sweaters for them either. Oh well that's what I think antway.
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06-12-2010, 01:38 PM
 
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I was raised a vegetarian (because my parents were vegetarian, and it is basically family tradition more than any socio-religious/Indian thing), so I never developed a taste for meat. If I tried it now I probably wouldn't like it.

And so I don't eat meat. But this isn't a very satisfying explanation for inquisitive teenagers so I have attempted to further rationalize it.

I personally don't care about animals unless they are self aware. This includes basically elephants, dolphins, maybe whales, and a few types of apes. Most of the meat we eat is from animals that aren't self aware, so I could give less of a shit about them. My vegetarianism thus is not stemmed from a love for animals. Personally, I think it is irrational to not eat meat because you don't want to kill animals and you "love nature" because there is nothing more natural than predation.

I have no problem with people eating meat, as long as it is in moderation. The current rate of population growth vs available land and consumption rates of meat is not sustainable. The land it takes to grown enough grain to feed enough cows to provide the beef for 1 person could be used to feed 10 people on a non-meat diet. Furthermore, the meat industry is a very carbon intensive industry. Furthermore, the sanitation issues and abuse of workers that was described by Upton Sinclair so long ago still remains an issue as you know if you've ever read the book Fast Food Nation.

However, protein is an essential part of our diet and meat is a great place to get it. I just hope people are more aware and considerate of their diet's effect on the sustainability of the human race.
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06-12-2010, 02:13 PM
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(06-12-2010 01:38 PM)TruthAddict Wrote:  I have no problem with people eating meat, as long as it is in moderation. The current rate of population growth vs available land and consumption rates of meat is not sustainable. The land it takes to grown enough grain to feed enough cows to provide the beef for 1 person could be used to feed 10 people on a non-meat diet. Furthermore, the meat industry is a very carbon intensive industry. Furthermore, the sanitation issues and abuse of workers that was described by Upton Sinclair so long ago still remains an issue as you know if you've ever read the book Fast Food Nation.

However, protein is an essential part of our diet and meat is a great place to get it. I just hope people are more aware and considerate of their diet's effect on the sustainability of the human race.

TruthAddict,

Just to expand on this a little: I think if you are concerned about sustainability, and environmental impact, you may find some of the information on pastoral farming quite interesting. There's far too much to go into here, but some quick searches may turn up some enlightening information. The short version is this: When managed properly, raising meat on pasture, instead of feeding it grain, is not only sustainable, but produces MORE food, in a more environmentally friendly way, than growing grain crops. In fact, the way the grain industry is run right now (by agri-business) is not sustainable, and is stealing food from the mouths of everyone. For example, many businesses are still (even though it's been proven ineffective) growing corn to produce ethanol. We go to the gas station and see that we are using ethanol blended fuel and think, "hey, ethanol is made from corn. I'm helping the environment by using gas that utilizes a sustainable resource!" BUT, it takes about a barrel of ethanol to produce a barrel of ethanol!! It's all a scam to appeal to the consumers conscience. If, instead, the land used to grow that corn was used to grow vegetable crops, with an erosion conscious method, we would eliminate the useless (and extremely destructive) corn crop, feed people, and preserve the nutrients in that land. Then, every few years, plant pasture, let animals graze the pasture, thus replacing the nutrients, both with their manure, and by allowing legumes to replace lost nitrogen. And here's the kicker! All of it can be done with NO CHEMICAL FERTILIZERS!!!!!!!! That's not to say that grain crops shouldn't exist. Of course they should. But they cannot be sustained growing them the way agri-business does now.

The meat industry is a high carbon industry. Meat production doesn't have to be. By using pastoral farming, meat production can actually reduce farm related carbon emissions.

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06-12-2010, 02:49 PM
 
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Thanks for that (really, for some reason a thank you over the Internet always comes out as sarcastic, at least to me).

I also agree with ethanol being an outright stupid concept (at least when it is grown the way it is now).
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06-12-2010, 04:01 PM
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Just as a point of clarification here, we do not grow so much corn and push ethanol to "appeal to the consumers conscience". We do it because a lot of lobbying dollars by the corporate ag business has been spent to push farm subsidies for easy to grow corn. There are millions of dollars spent to ensure that billions of tax dollars are handed over to giant corporate farmers. The result of this is we get food shortages in parts of the world, but in the US (and probably other western democracies) we get dirt cheap fast food on every corner in America, as well as high fructose corn syrup which is greatly contributing to the obesity endemic in the US. It is also indirectly responsible for raising the prices of vegetables that are not named "corn".

It is one of the greatest previsions of the free market currently in existence and the sad irony of it is that the ag industry has successfully managed to convince large swatches of people in the US that the nutty environmentalists and health care professionals screaming about this are actually "socialists" out to destroy our freedoms and way of life.

If it wasn't so absolutely fucking sad, it would be really, really funny. However......

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06-12-2010, 04:43 PM
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BnW. Suppose I could have been more clear. Corn for ethanol is an example. I used it since it's easy to illustrate in a simple way. The marketing strategy is what I was referring to when I said "appeal to consumers conscience", again as an illustration of the agri-business monsters use of less than honest techniques to maintain a strangle hold on the industry.
Thanks for the clarification.

Just to touch on the point about lobbying dollars being spent to ensure tax dollars go to corporate farming operations. The truth in this is frightening and far reaching. Pastoral farming (often referred to as grass farming) is phenomonally easy. The harm done by drought and flooding are both nearly negligible when compared to grain (read- corn) farming. Keeping that in mind, here's an interesting finding to chew on: University of Illinois extension specialist, Ed Ballard, did a study on pastoral farming. His research showed that "profits from grass farming are higher than from cash grain on the best corn land in Illinois. It would appear that only government programs keep illinois corn farming afloat".

When you said "absolutely fucking sad" you really hit the nail on the head.

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06-12-2010, 06:12 PM
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I was a vegetarian for 13 years for a few different reasons. however, about 4 years ago we started raising dairy goats and, well, eating the bucklings we can't sell. Now, I will eat our goats, sheep, and chickens, but I do not eat meat in a restaurant or purchase it in a store.
I am against the inhumane practices inherent in factory farming, and I do not wish to consume antibiotics or hormones present in factory farmed meat.
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06-12-2010, 11:58 PM
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On the thought of the environmental impact of meat consumption...would you eat insects ?

A researcher in the UK (whose name I forget because the documentary was a while back) proposed eating insects.They're pure protein , no fat , and the amount of "meat" you can grow on the same patch of land as opposed to cows is tenfold.
So back to my question...would you eat insects ?

I'd love to try deep fried crickets with soy sauce ... yum-yum. *drools*
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07-12-2010, 12:47 AM
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(06-12-2010 11:58 PM)gaglamesh731 Wrote:  On the thought of the environmental impact of meat consumption...would you eat insects ?

A researcher in the UK (whose name I forget because the documentary was a while back) proposed eating insects.They're pure protein , no fat , and the amount of "meat" you can grow on the same patch of land as opposed to cows is tenfold.
So back to my question...would you eat insects ?

I'd love to try deep fried crickets with soy sauce ... yum-yum. *drools*

Well, I have eaten fried or toasted crickets and maguey maggots "gusanos de maguey", here in some parts of Mexico insects are traditional food, and insects taste funny but I like to eat them some times, and yes, insects are a good source of proteins. Peace.

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