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01-03-2016, 11:41 PM
RE: Messiah, son of David
(01-03-2016 11:20 PM)Aliza Wrote:  
(01-03-2016 11:04 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  There is no "body in which it lived". Every human who ever lived is MOSTLY comprised of bacteria.
http://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-rele...akeup-body
On top of that, it is constantly changing at an unbelievably fast rate, (quantum mechanics, and all that).

There is no (defined) "body" to resurrect.

Immortality for the ancient Hebrews was family continuity. NOT individual immortality. Only after "individualism" arose (after the Exile) did monotheism, and individualism arise in that culture, (together).

Thanks Bucky! Now I know we're made up of flesh and not magical G-d stuff. This explains why I got that one wrong on my last science test.

Not "flesh".

Bugs.

Weeping

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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02-03-2016, 12:05 AM
RE: Messiah, son of David
(01-03-2016 10:01 PM)Aliza Wrote:  
(01-03-2016 09:42 PM)morondog Wrote:  Er... how do you get reincarnated if you were cremated, and what if you don't like your body? If you die at 90, are you gonna be in a 90 year old's body for eternity?

I think by reincarnated you mean resurrection. The specifics of the resurrection are not detailed "officially" in any document that I can just casually share quotes from. I'm working entirely by memory, and I want to point out that I'm providing you with my understanding of the most common Jewish view, and not necessarily the view that I hold.

If you're cremated, you're not coming back. The consistent message that I hear is that there will need to be some sort of physical "thing" to latch onto. I've heard it said that a particular bone in the neck is that specific thing. I have no idea why.

All bodies will be repaired to mint, factory condition after resurrected.

Laugh out load um. Sorry I don't wanna rag on you 'cos I like you and you aren't evangelical so quizzing you too much feels rude to me but... yeah. Every now and then I am reminded that you guys are just as crazy as everyone else Smile

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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02-03-2016, 12:16 AM
RE: Messiah, son of David
(02-03-2016 12:05 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(01-03-2016 10:01 PM)Aliza Wrote:  I think by reincarnated you mean resurrection. The specifics of the resurrection are not detailed "officially" in any document that I can just casually share quotes from. I'm working entirely by memory, and I want to point out that I'm providing you with my understanding of the most common Jewish view, and not necessarily the view that I hold.

If you're cremated, you're not coming back. The consistent message that I hear is that there will need to be some sort of physical "thing" to latch onto. I've heard it said that a particular bone in the neck is that specific thing. I have no idea why.

All bodies will be repaired to mint, factory condition after resurrected.

Laugh out load um. Sorry I don't wanna rag on you 'cos I like you and you aren't evangelical so quizzing you too much feels rude to me but... yeah. Every now and then I am reminded that you guys are just as crazy as everyone else Smile

Awww, thanks Morondog! I'm so honored that you find me to be such a fruit cake. Girl_nails (but at the very least, I have a decent sense of humor about a lot of it.)

By the way, the Christians got their concept of resurrection from the Jews. -I think there is some story in the NT about the dead getting up from their graves and walking around Jerusalem. The concept of the messiah coming from a dead person (ie: like a second coming), also stems from Jewish concepts.

And yeah, I really appreciate when you don't rag on me. I would most certainly receive it as deliberate rudeness.

A few people have actually spoken to me off the public forums. They're welcome to chime in here if they want to, but I don't think they'd categorize as nutty for my religious beliefs. I am, however, nutty for plenty of other reasons. Wink
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02-03-2016, 12:46 AM
RE: Messiah, son of David
(01-03-2016 05:13 PM)Aliza Wrote:  
(01-03-2016 10:24 AM)mgoering Wrote:  I won't pretend to understand what the Messianic Era means to the Jewish people. But, the website Chabad.org has a basic explanation of the two stages of the Messianic Era. The second and final stage is described as follows:

The Resurrection of the Dead – an era that will last for all eternity – is the second and final stage of the Messianic Era. It will happen forty years after the advent of the Messianic Era ...

Every Jewish soul that ever lived will be resurrected—in the very body in which it lived and died (and in the case of reincarnated souls, all the bodies will be resurrected). The body and soul are partners in all good deeds performed; they must both be rewarded accordingly ...

The Resurrection Era will be a period that will be characterized by radical changes in nature, with miracles becoming the daily norm ... We will then be treated to a reward that can only be viewed as a gift from Above, for its greatness is such that finite human efforts could never earn such bounty. ...


The ellipses above are omissions of links to other pages of the Chabad.org website.

http://www.chabad.org/library/moshiach/a...Basics.htm

The description has a few elements of the 2nd coming of Christ. But, note, only JEWISH souls are resurrected. So I was right. God does play favorites! Laugh out load

Not too put too fine a point on things, mgoering, but you should really expand your search on this to include multiple Jewish interpretations. The spectrum of ideas the Jewish community is vast and you should explore samplings from different communities.

You asked these guys what their view of the messianic era is:

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You really should have asked these guys instead:

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Oh, I don't know. I think the dudes in the top photo look a little more hip. But that's just me.

"Why hast thou forsaken me, o deity whose existence I doubt..." - Dr. Sheldon Cooper
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