Michael Shermer refutes Dennis Prager's "If There Is No God, Murder Isn't Wrong."
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13-04-2017, 04:58 PM
RE: Michael Shermer refutes Dennis Prager's "If There Is No God, Murder Isn't Wrong."
Hell he ain't the only one. Almost every atheist YouTuber I follow tore Prager a new one on this.

And I never, ever understand why Christians use Hitler as some example of evil; their god, according to their book, commited extreme genocide more than once. He wiped out the entire world except for 8 people and then later ordered his people to completely wipe out entire nations all so they could have the land he "promised" them. Hitler was a nice guy compared to god. Yet because god did it, it was ok.
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13-04-2017, 05:46 PM (This post was last modified: 13-04-2017 08:16 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Michael Shermer refutes Dennis Prager's "If There Is No God, Murder Isn't Wrong."
I didn't watch it, so i didn't know he used the Hitler thing.
Germany was a Christian nation, which permitted National Socialism to take power.
I think he is thought to have actually killed 0 to maybe 3, to a max of 7 people, personally.

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13-04-2017, 08:27 PM
RE: Michael Shermer refutes Dennis Prager's "If There Is No God, Murder Isn't Wrong."
(12-04-2017 08:48 PM)Rachel Wrote:  Founding publisher of Skeptic Magazine Michael Shermer is striking back against the attack on atheism made by conservative radio talk show host Dennis Prager, in the recent video ‘If There Is No God, Murder Isn’t Wrong’.




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13-04-2017, 09:36 PM (This post was last modified: 13-04-2017 09:56 PM by Rachel.)
Michael Shermer refutes Dennis Prager's "If There Is No God, Murder Isn't Wrong."
Thanks for that! I miss Hitch and his erudite wit and unflinching bravery in standing up to the religious bullies.
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13-04-2017, 11:07 PM
RE: Michael Shermer refutes Dennis Prager's "If There Is No God, Murder Isn't Wrong."
How do you know if God is good, bad, or somewhere inbetween?

If you can tell, then you have your own way of assessing morality independent from God.

If you can't tell, then why would you do what it says?

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14-04-2017, 04:44 AM
RE: Michael Shermer refutes Dennis Prager's "If There Is No God, Murder Isn't Wrong."
and then man said "I create you God, for I am fearful, superstitious, stupid and incapable of rational thought" Drinking Beverage

The more one asserts their own unquestioned preconceived beliefs, the more demanding I will be for empirical evidence for I will accept nothing else in place of it
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14-04-2017, 06:37 AM
RE: Michael Shermer refutes Dennis Prager's "If There Is No God, Murder Isn't Wrong."
(14-04-2017 04:44 AM)Ace Wrote:  and then man said "I create you God, for I am fearful, superstitious, stupid and incapable of rational thought" Drinking Beverage

> "Ignorance of natural causes created the gods, and priestly impostures made them terrible." (Baron D'Holbach)
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14-04-2017, 06:58 AM
RE: Michael Shermer refutes Dennis Prager's "If There Is No God, Murder Isn't Wrong."
(13-04-2017 05:46 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Germany was a Christian nation, which permitted National Socialism to take power.

The answer is neither yes nor no. Anyone saying christianity had something to do with Hitler taking over is as wrong as someone saying the absence of christianity was responsible for it.

Fact is, conservative Germany and religious leaders were quite comfortable with Hitler because they feared communism, which, even in 1932/33 was a pretty strong force. Hitler however, and his entourage, came in all shapes and colors. Devout christians as well as atheists, deists or pagans.

It's a very complicated matter that would require walls of text to even scratch the surface. Fact is, anyone using Hitler as an argument for or against religion, is talking out of the ass region.

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14-04-2017, 12:37 PM
RE: Michael Shermer refutes Dennis Prager's "If There Is No God, Murder Isn't Wrong."
(14-04-2017 06:58 AM)abaris Wrote:  Fact is, anyone using Hitler as an argument for or against religion, is talking out of the ass region.

I disagree. The hatred for the Jews came directly from religion.
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14-04-2017, 01:18 PM (This post was last modified: 14-04-2017 01:22 PM by abaris.)
RE: Michael Shermer refutes Dennis Prager's "If There Is No God, Murder Isn't Wrong."
(14-04-2017 12:37 PM)Rachel Wrote:  I disagree. The hatred for the Jews came directly from religion.

Even that isn't correct. While the church promoted antisemitism for the longest time, Hitler was influenced by the likes of Jörg Lanz von Liebenfels, Guido von Liszt, Karl Lueger, Houston Stewart Chamberlain, Henri Ford even. Hitler's antisemitism was racial as well as economic. But to explain all of the above mentioned and what they were about, would again require walls of texts. There's also no indication of Hitler being into antisemitism until the first war ended. His commanding officer was a jew and responsible for him being decorated with the Cross of Iron he wore until his death. In Vienna he is known to have mingled with jews, even took them on as business partners for selling his paintings. The family doctor, Bloch, was a jew and Hitler personally exempted him from any kind of persecution when he annexed Austria.

Suffice to say, all these arguments are overly simplistic and miss the target area by a lightyear.

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