Mild rant...right to privacy vs. forcing your beliefs down my throat
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19-02-2013, 04:53 PM
Mild rant...right to privacy vs. forcing your beliefs down my throat
There was a news article about a Texas teen who won the right to carry her pregnancy to term (she sued her parents because they were trying to force her into an abortion). Of course, in Texas, the parents would lose regardless, but in this instance, I believe it was the right decision.

NO, I do not condone a 16 year old girl getting pregnant, but she's old enough to understand what she did therefore old enough to understand the consequences and it is not right for her parents or anyone else, to try and force her into something she does not want to do. Forcing the girl into having an abortion is the same (IMO) as forcing a rape victim to carry the pregnancy. The choice should be hers, and the courts agreed. The article stated that she goes to school and works as well, so it would seem (going by assumptions, which can be a bad thing, but anyhow) that she is a pretty mature 16 year old.

Now, I am very much a it's a woman's body, her life, her privacy; therefore, it is NONE of anyone's business. No politician, stranger, or church/religion should be able to make a decision that is so extremely private for a woman in regards to her uterus. That is why I believe that this 16 year old had every right to say she wanted to carry her pregnancy to term. She had the mental maturity to find someone to help her & I believe that if her parents would get their panties out of a twist and support her, that she may stand a chance. Of course, then I am reminded of Teen Mom on TLC and sometimes wonder if my opinion is the right one. But it all boils down to it is her body. No one should tell her what she can and cannot do with it in regards to her reproductive system.

It does almost seem like a catch-22, though.

Oh, yeah, the point of my rant...I hate when people accuse me of being pro-murder. It makes me livid. I cannot stand the hypocrisy that oozes from that statement made by the morons who make it. Then of course it's you must also be an anti-gun, gay-loving, socialist. Really? No, I am not anti-gun (however I am all for gun control) and what's so wrong with being a gay-loving socialist? Wink

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19-02-2013, 06:01 PM
Mild rant...right to privacy vs. forcing your beliefs down my throat
Where does one draw the line though? What if she were 12? Would you allow her to make her own decisions about her body then? Parents are not always making decisions for their kids just to be dictators. Sometimes they are just doing what's expected of a parent (or think they are).

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19-02-2013, 07:06 PM
RE: Mild rant...right to privacy vs. forcing your beliefs down my throat
(19-02-2013 06:01 PM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote:  Where does one draw the line though? What if she were 12? Would you allow her to make her own decisions about her body then? Parents are not always making decisions for their kids just to be dictators. Sometimes they are just doing what's expected of a parent (or think they are).
There is a relatively significant difference between a 12 year old and a 16 year old (girl). Four years can make a huge difference in maturity and most importantly, reproductive maturity. At 12, a girl is just now starting to get her cycle (generally) & most would not consent to having sex for the simple fact many don't fully understand it. And that is where the line should be drawn, even if it simply going by one's age in a situation like that. At 16 most kids do understand cause and effect and the consequences that happen even if they may not heed that knowledge and the "warnings" that voice in the back of your head say to you, most are aware. I remember being a 16 year old versus a 12 year old. I honestly cannot imagine most 12 year old girls having the mindset that they A. want to have sex and B. want to have a child unless there is something going on in the home causing the child to desire such a thing. And at 16 a child is old enough to work and drive, and can emancipate themselves from their parents. At 12 that is impossible.

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20-02-2013, 11:31 PM
RE: Mild rant...right to privacy vs. forcing your beliefs down my throat
I understand your point of view, but another way to look at it would be that the girl is still at school, living at home and jobless. Therefore the responsibility of raising the child both financially and emotionally would fall on her parents.
While I do not condone forced abortion at all, maybe as a part of the court agreement they can also absolve the parents of any responsibility. If the girl is mature enough to have this baby against her parents wishes - then she is also mature enough to take full care of it

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21-02-2013, 01:01 AM
RE: Mild rant...right to privacy vs. forcing your beliefs down my throat
(19-02-2013 07:06 PM)MoonMama_80 Wrote:  
(19-02-2013 06:01 PM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote:  Where does one draw the line though? What if she were 12? Would you allow her to make her own decisions about her body then? Parents are not always making decisions for their kids just to be dictators. Sometimes they are just doing what's expected of a parent (or think they are).
There is a relatively significant difference between a 12 year old and a 16 year old (girl). Four years can make a huge difference in maturity and most importantly, reproductive maturity. At 12, a girl is just now starting to get her cycle (generally) & most would not consent to having sex for the simple fact many don't fully understand it. And that is where the line should be drawn, even if it simply going by one's age in a situation like that. At 16 most kids do understand cause and effect and the consequences that happen even if they may not heed that knowledge and the "warnings" that voice in the back of your head say to you, most are aware. I remember being a 16 year old versus a 12 year old. I honestly cannot imagine most 12 year old girls having the mindset that they A. want to have sex and B. want to have a child unless there is something going on in the home causing the child to desire such a thing. And at 16 a child is old enough to work and drive, and can emancipate themselves from their parents. At 12 that is impossible.
Is that a point that was used in the case? If that had a great deal of the reasoning of how it's different LEGALLY for a 16-12 year old difference, because besides that, it's all a bunch of emotional-maturity arguments that are more of an indicator of the person and not the specific age; that would require looking at the life of the girl.

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21-02-2013, 08:13 PM
RE: Mild rant...right to privacy vs. forcing your beliefs down my throat
(20-02-2013 11:31 PM)PeterKA Wrote:  I understand your point of view, but another way to look at it would be that the girl is still at school, living at home and jobless. Therefore the responsibility of raising the child both financially and emotionally would fall on her parents.
OP stated that the article stated that she works, as well.

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21-02-2013, 08:18 PM
RE: Mild rant...right to privacy vs. forcing your beliefs down my throat
(19-02-2013 04:53 PM)MoonMama_80 Wrote:  Oh, yeah, the point of my rant...I hate when people accuse me of being pro-murder. It makes me livid. I cannot stand the hypocrisy that oozes from that statement made by the morons who make it.

Tell them you can't murder something that's not yet what we would call "living". To certain stages of a pregnancy, murder does not apply.

One thing I like to say is: "If aborting a blastocyst or a parasitic tadpole is murder, then getting cancer is a form of suicide."

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