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12-09-2011, 06:48 AM
RE: Military Coddlers
OK, so I have missed a point a bit. And I did thought that you can enlist earlier that 18, because I saw a lot of very, very young people coming from USA's aircraft carrier (forgot which one) when they came to Split, Croatia, nobody was over 20 and they all worked on a NUCLEAR AIRCRAFT CARRIER. That is a bit bizarre, I wouldn't let anyone under 40 near those vessels. Also I didn't know about the education minimum, but you learn new things as long as you live right?

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12-09-2011, 12:17 PM
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(11-09-2011 06:28 PM)Zatamon Wrote:  Especially those who bomb weddings to ratshit in defense of their country.

But I know what you mean in the rest of your post...

I only meant people who were genuinely defending their country something which hasnt happened for a while in western countrys, There's usually an ulterior motive behind wars these days it's mainly about carving up the remaining resources while being disguised as something else like the Iraq war or even the NATO bombing of Libya it's not about gadaffi killing his people or they would be bombing Syria and several other countries it's about the resources that the new regime Will give them for their help.

Anyone who murders civilians isn't a hero and never should be seen that way why they don't always get put on trial is beyond me.

I have a bad habit of making my points in a way that's not always clear. I'll need to work on that Smile

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12-09-2011, 01:28 PM
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Well, how about we bring them home, make sure they're well nourished, physically and mentally fit, then put them to guard duty at the borders and coasts, or to work on emergency rescue and relief? Then we can all respect and be proud of them.

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12-09-2011, 01:57 PM
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(12-09-2011 01:28 PM)Peterkin Wrote:  Well, how about we bring them home, make sure they're well nourished, physically and mentally fit, then put them to guard duty at the borders and coasts, or to work on emergency rescue and relief? Then we can all respect and be proud of them.

Why don't we guarantee that to all citizens, especially those who do not have the means to support themselves. Like I said military is well paid for what they do and are usually quite capable of supporting themselves.

So what do you all think of the slavish worship poured on military members and their families by American citizens?

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12-09-2011, 06:45 PM (This post was last modified: 12-09-2011 06:53 PM by Peterkin.)
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I think it's a symptom of the political climate.
The cheering and adulation are led by politicians and echoed by media pundits.
They're making lots of wars, so they need lots of warm bodies, so they try to make it sound romantic.
They're making very bad wars, so they depict the troops as heroic and any questioning of the objectives and strategies as disloyal to the troops.
They're pissing away the nation's wealth and reputation on very bad wars, and don't want anyone talking about that: funerals with flags make much better tv.


The people go along, because it's what they're hearing and they always repeat whatever they hear on tv. Plus, Americans have a history of fascination with arms and armies, military gear, war memorabilia, movies, flags... a nation of 8-year-old boys with far too big a playground. But Canadian media is doing it now, as well, successfully creating a mood of reverence and enthusiasm for all things military. Propaganda works.

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13-09-2011, 04:14 AM
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(12-09-2011 12:17 PM)FSM_scot Wrote:  
(11-09-2011 06:28 PM)Zatamon Wrote:  Especially those who bomb weddings to ratshit in defense of their country.

But I know what you mean in the rest of your post...

I only meant people who were genuinely defending their country something which hasnt happened for a while in western countrys, There's usually an ulterior motive behind wars these days it's mainly about carving up the remaining resources while being disguised as something else like the Iraq war or even the NATO bombing of Libya it's not about gadaffi killing his people or they would be bombing Syria and several other countries it's about the resources that the new regime Will give them for their help.

Anyone who murders civilians isn't a hero and never should be seen that way why they don't always get put on trial is beyond me.

I have a bad habit of making my points in a way that's not always clear. I'll need to work on that Smile

Not that we are western country, but Croatia had a war 15 years ago and we were defending our country. That didn't stop western courts to prosecute our generals, most of them are now in jail for war crimes. This was the first time somebody put victorious army on trial. I would like to see some western country in court also, if we can go there, why not USA, or any other country?

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Military actions that were on trial and found guilty for war crimes are the same military actions that are being thought on West Point Military Academy as one of the quickest and best actions for liberation, with minimum to no casualties and minimum distraction of city. We, of course, were found guilty for unnecessary destruction of the city and civil casualties. Funny isn't it? Talk about the escape goat...

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13-09-2011, 07:44 AM
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(13-09-2011 04:14 AM)Filox Wrote:  Not that we are western country, but Croatia had a war 15 years ago and we were defending our country. That didn't stop western courts to prosecute our generals, most of them are now in jail for war crimes. This was the first time somebody put victorious army on trial. I would like to see some western country in court also, if we can go there, why not USA, or any other country?

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Military actions that were on trial and found guilty for war crimes are the same military actions that are being thought on West Point Military Academy as one of the quickest and best actions for liberation, with minimum to no casualties and minimum distraction of city. We, of course, were found guilty for unnecessary destruction of the city and civil casualties. Funny isn't it? Talk about the escape goat...

Those generals were commiting acts of genocide its only right they are tried for war crimes.
I do see what you mean by the hypocrisy of it

War crimes should not go unpunished regardless of what side carried them out.
Its usualy the winning side that carries out the trials which is why they can get away with it.

Im old enough to remember seeing the news reports, i even used to work with an albanian that was there with the brittish army (it may have been Kosovo i cant remember exactly where he said).
I also worked with a croatian who is only a few years older than me so i have heard a first hand account of the war from a child's perspective.

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14-09-2011, 05:59 AM
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(13-09-2011 07:44 AM)FSM_scot Wrote:  Those generals were commiting acts of genocide its only right they are tried for war crimes.
I do see what you mean by the hypocrisy of it

War crimes should not go unpunished regardless of what side carried them out.
Its usualy the winning side that carries out the trials which is why they can get away with it.

I don't want to start an argument about Croatian war, but our generals were defending the country and clearing the occupying army. Other side is the one who was doing the genocides. Our generals were not on trial for genocide, they were on trial for the reasons I have stated in my previous post. But never mind that, these kind of discussions can be long and boring, don't want to get into this here.

Yes, I do agree that war crimes should be punished, but then we should all be treated the same. When International Court Of Justice In Den Haag was opened, can you guess which was the only country that didn't sign the extradition papers? So we all have to follow some laws and rules, but somebody is always above the law.

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14-09-2011, 06:42 AM
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(14-09-2011 05:59 AM)Filox Wrote:  I don't want to start an argument about Croatian war, but our generals were defending the country and clearing the occupying army. Other side is the one who was doing the genocides. Our generals were not on trial for genocide, they were on trial for the reasons I have stated in my previous post. But never mind that, these kind of discussions can be long and boring, don't want to get into this here.

Yes, I do agree that war crimes should be punished, but then we should all be treated the same. When International Court Of Justice In Den Haag was opened, can you guess which was the only country that didn't sign the extradition papers? So we all have to follow some laws and rules, but somebody is always above the law.

My apologies I misinterpreted something. It wasn't for genocide but was still for crimes against humanity For various things massacres of civilians, torture of POWs etc. What about the Mirlovic Polje incident Where 7 elderly civilians (5 men and 2 women)were murdered, four were executed and three burned alive at the stake. Or the Killings of around 677 civilians during operation storm. Even if they were defending their country it does not not excuse committing crimes against humanity.

I know that you aren't saying that it is justifiable, I'm just pointing out that committing civilian massacres can hardly be described as defence.

I agree with you that there is always someone that is above the law. It shouldn't happen but it does, the hypocrisy in the ways countries act is unbelievable.

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14-09-2011, 07:14 AM
 
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(10-09-2011 07:33 AM)monkeyshine89 Wrote:  
(10-09-2011 07:19 AM)FSM_scot Wrote:  One of the things that annoy me about the military is people seem to think its above criticism, if you say anything even slightly negative suddenly you are public enemy number 1. Nothing is above criticism even the military.

I agree very much with that statement.
Quote:Having a go at soldiers for doing their job when they arn't doing anything wrong is just stupid. Its the powers that put them there that people should be annoyed at.

It's mean to have a go at anyone for an arbitrary reason, but it's perfectly acceptable to not like soldiers.
Quote:I have nothing but respect for people who are willing to step up to defend their country.

I give respect to people who earn it. Just raising your right hand and enlisting is not enough to just automatically gain respect. The amount of DBA/DBS/DBM/ (dirt bag airman/soldier/sailor/marine) to non dirt bags is rather high in the military. One has to realize that most military jobs DO NOT see combat, this is not limited to the air force.

[quoteI feel sorry for the people who do it these days because they join to protect their familys and their countrys then govenments often use them as pawns for their own agendas usually for resources (the iraq war).
These people who are willing to put their lifes at risk for their countrys deserve far better than what they are currently getting.

Do you realize how much military folks get paid? For little to no education they get excellent pay and free healthcare. Along with free college, and a plethora of other entitlements, yet they keep asking for more. Our job is less dangerous then cops, firefighters, electricians, doctors, and nurses, yet we constantly have much better benefits then they do... and it's because of the mentality that they are 'fighting for our rights'.... yet even you admit that the war is totally unjustified.
Quote:Ive not actually heard Soulja boy's song but since hes a rapper theres a good chance that hes a complete tool talking shit and overcompensating for tiny genetalia with casual misogyny,talking about guns and how much money he has.

Oh it's just another stupid rap song, but I don't think this is the reason we should be down on him, it's fucking stupid that people keep thinking we should bend over backwards for the military... they are acting 10 times as sensitive as Christians right now... and that's pretty bad.


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your statement about enlisting being just raising your right hand and saying something is complete bullshit. how about you enlist and go through basic training. i bet you wouldnt even get through it. im confused though, as you said we, which makes it sound like your in the military. however, i dont think anyone in the military would say all you have to do to join is raise your right hand and enlist. you would have had to go to basic, your job training, and whatever specialist training you took, if you went that route. and i do realize how much the military gets paid, and unless you are an officer, you make shit. there are many benefits, but you have to understand the fact that this is a job that puts your life at risk. jobs with a risk of death should have high benefits and high pay. i just joined the army today. most of my family has been in the military and i just dont understand if youre in the military how you could misrepresent it like that. youre either hateful towards it because you want out now, or you are lying and youre not in the military.
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