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14-09-2011, 09:49 AM
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People this is just commercials
I will actually do some research

Don't worry my dad was in the army.... so don't judge meUndecided

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14-09-2011, 10:42 AM
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(14-09-2011 09:49 AM)tazmin98 Wrote:  Ads
This is what I know about Britain's army forces

People this is just commercials
I will actually do some research

Don't worry my dad was in the army.... so don't judge meUndecided
Don't worry none of us will judge you for your dad being in the army.

Im not even going to watch it. I hate the ads for the british army, they deliberately make joining the army look like playing call of duty.

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14-09-2011, 11:19 AM
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Quote:your statement about enlisting being just raising your right hand and saying something is complete bullshit. how about you enlist and go through basic training. i bet you wouldnt even get through it. im confused though, as you said we, which makes it sound like your in the military. however, i dont think anyone in the military would say all you have to do to join is raise your right hand and enlist. you would have had to go to basic, your job training, and whatever specialist training you took, if you went that route. and i do realize how much the military gets paid, and unless you are an officer, you make shit. there are many benefits, but you have to understand the fact that this is a job that puts your life at risk. jobs with a risk of death should have high benefits and high pay. i just joined the army today. most of my family has been in the military and i just dont understand if youre in the military how you could misrepresent it like that. youre either hateful towards it because you want out now, or you are lying and youre not in the military.

LOL!
I guess we have ourselves a new recruit here.

Welcome to the army, I hope you have a guaranteed job, or did very well on the ASVAB, otherwise it's infantry for you.

Yes, I was in the military, as an aircraft maintainer, by AFSC was 2A53XA air craft communications and navigation, aka avionics. Now I'm in the reserves since I am overseas.

Anyways, nothing I've said has been hateful or misrepresentation, when you have been in the military family (I was raised by a military mom and dad and lived on bases my whole life) and part of the service for as long as I have, you will definitely see that self entitled DBS (Dirt Bag Soldiers) outnumber regular joes 10 to 1.

Even if you go into infantry, you are actually much safer in Iraq or Afghanistan then you are at your home station. Yeah, scary situations happen, but you know what, that's for a lot of jobs that deal with that kind of stuff. Cops see combat all of the freaking time, yet you don't here us singing their praises on 4th of July, they are the ones that are ACTUALLY keeping our nation safe, military just protects national interests. We haven't been in a defensive war since WWII, and even that is up for debate.

As for military pay, I am assuming you are a young adult, either fresh out of high school, or someone who has run out of options. As a private in the military you make ALOT more then you would be outside of the military, plus your rent and food is paid for. That is a sweet deal for someone with no training or job experience. I think military pay is more than generous, those that bitch about it being low are the same people who spend it all on big screen TVs and fancy cars.

Plus talk about the benefits, I could spend all night typing out all of the benefits you get in the military, and keep in mind, only a small fraction of the military actually does the 'fighting', most of the military is support. And as I mentioned before, many other professions are MUCH MUCH MUCH more dangerous then any post in the military, yet they don't half the respect and benefits the military does.

Also, don't act like basic training or A school is a sacrifice, basic training is a piece of cake (unless you are a Marine... but they like shitty things like that) and tech school is little more than a paid vacation. Just play the game and you will do fine.

So my advice for you, GI Joe, is to deflate your head a little bit, especially since you are new to the service. Or you can just let all of it go to your head and be another DBS who gets chewed up and spit out.

Have a great day

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15-09-2011, 02:24 PM (This post was last modified: 15-09-2011 02:28 PM by monkeyshine89.)
RE: Military Coddlers
OMG... I found this video and it made me sick to my stomach...

Please do not watch if you are overly nationalistic or in support of the military, or if you are a very sensitive person.




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15-09-2011, 04:04 PM
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(12-09-2011 06:45 PM)Peterkin Wrote:  Americans have a history of fascination with arms and armies, military gear, war memorabilia, movies, flags... a nation of 8-year-old boys with far too big a playground. But Canadian media is doing it now, as well, successfully creating a mood of reverence and enthusiasm for all things military. Propaganda works.

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15-09-2011, 11:54 PM
 
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(14-09-2011 11:19 AM)monkeyshine89 Wrote:  
Quote:your statement about enlisting being just raising your right hand and saying something is complete bullshit. how about you enlist and go through basic training. i bet you wouldnt even get through it. im confused though, as you said we, which makes it sound like your in the military. however, i dont think anyone in the military would say all you have to do to join is raise your right hand and enlist. you would have had to go to basic, your job training, and whatever specialist training you took, if you went that route. and i do realize how much the military gets paid, and unless you are an officer, you make shit. there are many benefits, but you have to understand the fact that this is a job that puts your life at risk. jobs with a risk of death should have high benefits and high pay. i just joined the army today. most of my family has been in the military and i just dont understand if youre in the military how you could misrepresent it like that. youre either hateful towards it because you want out now, or you are lying and youre not in the military.

LOL!
I guess we have ourselves a new recruit here.

Welcome to the army, I hope you have a guaranteed job, or did very well on the ASVAB, otherwise it's infantry for you.

Yes, I was in the military, as an aircraft maintainer, by AFSC was 2A53XA air craft communications and navigation, aka avionics. Now I'm in the reserves since I am overseas.

Anyways, nothing I've said has been hateful or misrepresentation, when you have been in the military family (I was raised by a military mom and dad and lived on bases my whole life) and part of the service for as long as I have, you will definitely see that self entitled DBS (Dirt Bag Soldiers) outnumber regular joes 10 to 1.

Even if you go into infantry, you are actually much safer in Iraq or Afghanistan then you are at your home station. Yeah, scary situations happen, but you know what, that's for a lot of jobs that deal with that kind of stuff. Cops see combat all of the freaking time, yet you don't here us singing their praises on 4th of July, they are the ones that are ACTUALLY keeping our nation safe, military just protects national interests. We haven't been in a defensive war since WWII, and even that is up for debate.

As for military pay, I am assuming you are a young adult, either fresh out of high school, or someone who has run out of options. As a private in the military you make ALOT more then you would be outside of the military, plus your rent and food is paid for. That is a sweet deal for someone with no training or job experience. I think military pay is more than generous, those that bitch about it being low are the same people who spend it all on big screen TVs and fancy cars.

Plus talk about the benefits, I could spend all night typing out all of the benefits you get in the military, and keep in mind, only a small fraction of the military actually does the 'fighting', most of the military is support. And as I mentioned before, many other professions are MUCH MUCH MUCH more dangerous then any post in the military, yet they don't half the respect and benefits the military does.

Also, don't act like basic training or A school is a sacrifice, basic training is a piece of cake (unless you are a Marine... but they like shitty things like that) and tech school is little more than a paid vacation. Just play the game and you will do fine.

So my advice for you, GI Joe, is to deflate your head a little bit, especially since you are new to the service. Or you can just let all of it go to your head and be another DBS who gets chewed up and spit out.

Have a great day

-Staff Sargent Franklin

ok, first off i scored 98 on the asvab, and im going to be a medic. however,i never wanted to be one of the guys that never sees action and claims to be a soildier. so after i get medic experience that will help me in medical school, ill take steps to be special forces like my cousin.im not like some of the trailer trash guys that just wanna be a ranger sniper or something, im sure you know who im talking about. maybe thats what you meant by dirtbag soldier.i lettered in 3 sports in high school(football,track,wrestling), and wrestled in college. im still in excellant shape and very atheletic and ive never met any physical request that i couldnt meet. and yeah, i picked up hatred and distain off of you.i know all about the benefits,im joining to fund my med school.im not out of options, ive always wanted to fight,and i will after a few years as a medic.the war may or may not have been started for good reasons,i dont know,and no matter what you say, you dont know either.alot of good has come from it.an evil dictactor was overthrown,a democratic system was set up in that nation, religiously sanctified violense agaisnt nonbelievers,women, and children is being fought.and with my ideals,i can fight for that.it doesnt matter if oil has anything to do with it.the fact that were fighting these people should make us all glad.im not bigheaded, i was just shocked at how cynical and even hateful you sounded.by the way, im denying my college training for an officer at first so i can train and fight with the real solfiers.when i want a family and im about to make the switch from miltary to civillian medical field ill try to get my officer rank, but not before.you sound disheartened and bitter. im not gunna let that happen to me. if i die fighting oppressive religion, then im fine with that. maybe you dont feel that way. dont belittle me while i give it a try though.and dont belittle the military.im really sick of all the nerds and inbreeds here wanting to be a sniper,but i still wanna stick up for them
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16-09-2011, 06:32 AM
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(15-09-2011 11:54 PM)aarontheman Wrote:  
(14-09-2011 11:19 AM)monkeyshine89 Wrote:  
Quote:your statement about enlisting being just raising your right hand and saying something is complete bullshit. how about you enlist and go through basic training. i bet you wouldnt even get through it. im confused though, as you said we, which makes it sound like your in the military. however, i dont think anyone in the military would say all you have to do to join is raise your right hand and enlist. you would have had to go to basic, your job training, and whatever specialist training you took, if you went that route. and i do realize how much the military gets paid, and unless you are an officer, you make shit. there are many benefits, but you have to understand the fact that this is a job that puts your life at risk. jobs with a risk of death should have high benefits and high pay. i just joined the army today. most of my family has been in the military and i just dont understand if youre in the military how you could misrepresent it like that. youre either hateful towards it because you want out now, or you are lying and youre not in the military.

LOL!
I guess we have ourselves a new recruit here.

Welcome to the army, I hope you have a guaranteed job, or did very well on the ASVAB, otherwise it's infantry for you.

Yes, I was in the military, as an aircraft maintainer, by AFSC was 2A53XA air craft communications and navigation, aka avionics. Now I'm in the reserves since I am overseas.

Anyways, nothing I've said has been hateful or misrepresentation, when you have been in the military family (I was raised by a military mom and dad and lived on bases my whole life) and part of the service for as long as I have, you will definitely see that self entitled DBS (Dirt Bag Soldiers) outnumber regular joes 10 to 1.

Even if you go into infantry, you are actually much safer in Iraq or Afghanistan then you are at your home station. Yeah, scary situations happen, but you know what, that's for a lot of jobs that deal with that kind of stuff. Cops see combat all of the freaking time, yet you don't here us singing their praises on 4th of July, they are the ones that are ACTUALLY keeping our nation safe, military just protects national interests. We haven't been in a defensive war since WWII, and even that is up for debate.

As for military pay, I am assuming you are a young adult, either fresh out of high school, or someone who has run out of options. As a private in the military you make ALOT more then you would be outside of the military, plus your rent and food is paid for. That is a sweet deal for someone with no training or job experience. I think military pay is more than generous, those that bitch about it being low are the same people who spend it all on big screen TVs and fancy cars.

Plus talk about the benefits, I could spend all night typing out all of the benefits you get in the military, and keep in mind, only a small fraction of the military actually does the 'fighting', most of the military is support. And as I mentioned before, many other professions are MUCH MUCH MUCH more dangerous then any post in the military, yet they don't half the respect and benefits the military does.

Also, don't act like basic training or A school is a sacrifice, basic training is a piece of cake (unless you are a Marine... but they like shitty things like that) and tech school is little more than a paid vacation. Just play the game and you will do fine.

So my advice for you, GI Joe, is to deflate your head a little bit, especially since you are new to the service. Or you can just let all of it go to your head and be another DBS who gets chewed up and spit out.

Have a great day

-Staff Sargent Franklin

ok, first off i scored 98 on the asvab, and im going to be a medic. however,i never wanted to be one of the guys that never sees action and claims to be a soildier. so after i get medic experience that will help me in medical school, ill take steps to be special forces like my cousin.im not like some of the trailer trash guys that just wanna be a ranger sniper or something, im sure you know who im talking about. maybe thats what you meant by dirtbag soldier.i lettered in 3 sports in high school(football,track,wrestling), and wrestled in college. im still in excellant shape and very atheletic and ive never met any physical request that i couldnt meet. and yeah, i picked up hatred and distain off of you.i know all about the benefits,im joining to fund my med school.im not out of options, ive always wanted to fight,and i will after a few years as a medic.the war may or may not have been started for good reasons,i dont know,and no matter what you say, you dont know either.alot of good has come from it.an evil dictactor was overthrown,a democratic system was set up in that nation, religiously sanctified violense agaisnt nonbelievers,women, and children is being fought.and with my ideals,i can fight for that.it doesnt matter if oil has anything to do with it.the fact that were fighting these people should make us all glad.im not bigheaded, i was just shocked at how cynical and even hateful you sounded.by the way, im denying my college training for an officer at first so i can train and fight with the real solfiers.when i want a family and im about to make the switch from miltary to civillian medical field ill try to get my officer rank, but not before.you sound disheartened and bitter. im not gunna let that happen to me. if i die fighting oppressive religion, then im fine with that. maybe you dont feel that way. dont belittle me while i give it a try though.and dont belittle the military.im really sick of all the nerds and inbreeds here wanting to be a sniper,but i still wanna stick up for them

Well that's great you are going to college, most of the guys in the service get caught up with careers and families and don't end up going to college (so please don't get married and have children until you have that degree, trust me).

As far as your little rant about your talents, I could give a shit less how athletic you are for one, good for you I guess? Good job on a 98, though I rather doubt you are telling the truth as they are very hard to achieve. If you were so smart, why didn't you just go to college, oh right, you 'always wanted to fight'... reason be damned.

I have yet to see good come from any war, sure we have overthrown Saddam (who we put there in the first place), but in place we have become ruthless terrorists. The democratic system we set up is a puppet that we can control.

Oil has EVERYTHING to do with this war, do you think we would be in this shithole unless it had something we wanted? This isn't a war of goodwill or peace. We are in the middle east to search and destroy terrorists (who by strange coincidence have the oil.. hmm)... not to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi/Afgahni people. Sure we might build a school or two, for the sake of media awareness, but no, we are there to kill people, that is what the military does.

If you watched that little video I had up top a lot of soldiers are cynical and angry about the military. They are angry that their brothers and sisters DIED GIVING THEIR ONLY LIFE... TO AN UNJUST UNNEEDED WAR. In fact some of the biggest protests groups are veterans and military families. Many young soldiers go in thinking it's fun or a game, that war is cool and glamorous. This has got to stop.

War is hell, you are killing real people. Do you think the bombs we fucking drop on these villages give a shit about who is innocent and guilty? Do you know how many war crimes have been committed by US troops only to go unreported? But whatever, it's 'us against them'

When you go off to war, and you go off to a combat zone, I really want you to think about what I said, to maybe keep a little note. You think I'm cynical and jaded, that I'm just a bitter old asshole, fine, you are entitled to your opinion. But when you come back from deployment, please leave me a message or go ahead and post somewhere in the forum, I'm pretty sure you will be singing a different song.

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16-09-2011, 11:17 AM
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Quote:OMG... I found this video and it made me sick to my stomach...
wow....It's kinda scary!
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16-09-2011, 02:30 PM
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(16-09-2011 06:32 AM)monkeyshine89 Wrote:  Oil has EVERYTHING to do with this war, do you think we would be in this shithole unless it had something we wanted?

No it doesn't. This belief is a fantasy, one unsupported by either evidence, trade relations, or political alliances. It sounds catchy and neat so you can pigeonhole all the people for the war into the "badguys" camp of greedy corporatists or whatever term you wish to use.

But the truth is that the vast majority of the oil the US Imports comes from...Canada. And last I checked we weren't invading the Canucks.

In fact, the top places we get our oil from are
OIL
(thousands of barrels per day, ytd, 2010)
1. Canada - OIL: 1,969
2. Saudi Arabia OIL: 1,076
3. Mexico OIL: 1,121
4. Venezuela OIL: 996
5. Nigeria OIL: 994
6. Iraq OIL: 508
7. Angola OIL: 411
8. Russia OIL: 277
9. Colombia OIL: 320
10. Brazil. OIL: 281

PETROLEUM
(thousands of barrels per day, ytd, 2010)
1. Canada: PETROLEUM: 2,717
2. Mexico: PETROLEUM: 1,211
3. Suadi Arabia: PETROLEUM: 1,125
4. Venezuela: PETROLEUM: 899
5. Nigeria: PETROLEUM: 1,108
6. Russia: PETROLEUM: 760
7. Algeria: PETROLEUM: 550
8. Iraq: PETROLEUM: 630
9. Colombia: PETROLEUM: 407
10. Angola: PETROLEUM: 425

My source is the Department of Energy
http://www.eia.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum...mport.html

The numbers I have listed are the YTD 2010 numbers, they may seem out of order, but they are based on trends over time, not just the static numbers that I have posted.


So let's extrapolate it. What, out of just those top ten is the total amount imported per day? 7,265,000 barrels per day. Iraq accounts for 6% of this. That's a tiny freaking amount.

Iraq's oil exports suffered severe setback from, you guessed it, the first Gulf War, which decimated its oil producing capabilities. If we had wanted oil from Iraq, all we had to do was lift sanctions on Saddam, help him rebuild his pipelines, and we'd have been at a higher carrying capacity in 1995 in Iraq than we are today.

If oil was the goal, war was not only unnecessary, it was a massive setback. The destruction of infrastructure, the cost of the war, the cost of rebuilding,t he cost of occupation not only make any benefit negligible they make the benefits laughable.

If a fraction of that money had simply been given to Saddam, his pipelines rebuilt, and sanctions lifted, then it would have increased oil production (literally) 5 times over within a couple years. Instead, we're just now barely beginning to get it back to the levels it was at in 1988.

The "war for oil" argument is a farce.

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16-09-2011, 04:55 PM
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(16-09-2011 02:30 PM)17thknight Wrote:  
(16-09-2011 06:32 AM)monkeyshine89 Wrote:  Oil has EVERYTHING to do with this war, do you think we would be in this shithole unless it had something we wanted?

No it doesn't. This belief is a fantasy, one unsupported by either evidence, trade relations, or political alliances. It sounds catchy and neat so you can pigeonhole all the people for the war into the "badguys" camp of greedy corporatists or whatever term you wish to use.

But the truth is that the vast majority of the oil the US Imports comes from...Canada. And last I checked we weren't invading the Canucks.

In fact, the top places we get our oil from are
OIL
(thousands of barrels per day, ytd, 2010)
1. Canada - OIL: 1,969
2. Saudi Arabia OIL: 1,076
3. Mexico OIL: 1,121
4. Venezuela OIL: 996
5. Nigeria OIL: 994
6. Iraq OIL: 508
7. Angola OIL: 411
8. Russia OIL: 277
9. Colombia OIL: 320
10. Brazil. OIL: 281

PETROLEUM
(thousands of barrels per day, ytd, 2010)
1. Canada: PETROLEUM: 2,717
2. Mexico: PETROLEUM: 1,211
3. Suadi Arabia: PETROLEUM: 1,125
4. Venezuela: PETROLEUM: 899
5. Nigeria: PETROLEUM: 1,108
6. Russia: PETROLEUM: 760
7. Algeria: PETROLEUM: 550
8. Iraq: PETROLEUM: 630
9. Colombia: PETROLEUM: 407
10. Angola: PETROLEUM: 425

My source is the Department of Energy
http://www.eia.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum...mport.html

The numbers I have listed are the YTD 2010 numbers, they may seem out of order, but they are based on trends over time, not just the static numbers that I have posted.


So let's extrapolate it. What, out of just those top ten is the total amount imported per day? 7,265,000 barrels per day. Iraq accounts for 6% of this. That's a tiny freaking amount.

Iraq's oil exports suffered severe setback from, you guessed it, the first Gulf War, which decimated its oil producing capabilities. If we had wanted oil from Iraq, all we had to do was lift sanctions on Saddam, help him rebuild his pipelines, and we'd have been at a higher carrying capacity in 1995 in Iraq than we are today.

If oil was the goal, war was not only unnecessary, it was a massive setback. The destruction of infrastructure, the cost of the war, the cost of rebuilding,t he cost of occupation not only make any benefit negligible they make the benefits laughable.

If a fraction of that money had simply been given to Saddam, his pipelines rebuilt, and sanctions lifted, then it would have increased oil production (literally) 5 times over within a couple years. Instead, we're just now barely beginning to get it back to the levels it was at in 1988.

The "war for oil" argument is a farce.

I still believe that oil has a part in the war (gaining control of the oil in the middle east), but your right, it is not the entire cause of the war.

So let us think, what is the 'cause' of this war. Why are we over there?

Don't give me some contrived answer such as nation building or stopping terrorists, please.... I want serious answers. Both you and I know that the United States isn't stupid and does not enter costly and arguably impossible wars without reason.

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