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22-09-2011, 03:30 AM
RE: Military Coddlers
The US military is little more than a giant government welfare program anymore. And every few years we go bomb shit just to make the insane spending seem worthwhile.

Currently the US offense spending is almost equal to that of every other industrial country in the world COMBINED. And what benefit is the US, or anyone for that matter, getting out of this enormous waste? Well, other than a handful of aristocrats soaking up the govt funds, no one.

Yet we need to cut spending on things like education, unemployment, infrastructure, etc....BS!!!
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22-09-2011, 11:50 AM (This post was last modified: 22-09-2011 11:56 AM by 17thknight.)
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(22-09-2011 03:30 AM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  The US military is little more than a giant government welfare program anymore.

You're right, we're all on welfare in the military. How could I ever cut it in the real world?! Jobs and education scare and frighten me.

Why, if I join the military, I can earn $15,000 a year while working 100+ hours a week on a nuclear reactor in a dangerous industrial environment, making half of minimum wage! The best part is that for half the year I will have no contact with the outside world to the point where I won't even see sunlight for months on end! They're practically GIVING this money away!!!!

And before all that, you're practically put through special ed with schools like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Nuclear_Power_School
where the curriculum of teaching nuclear physics, thermodynamics, and training people to operate a nuclear reactor in the course of a year seems like nothing more than molly-coddling. Why, they may as well hand those diplomas out they're so easy to get!

And let's not forget what happens when you leave the military! Oh my, the world is so scary and strange. I had no idea how I could pay for college without the military doing it for me ;_; I'm so used to having such an easy welfare-life that I was confused and frightened by the prospect of paying for my classes. Thankfully, scholarships and grants paid for all my education because of my 3.9 GPA....so it's like MORE WELFARE!

it's a good thing I never had to work a minute in my life in the military, nor earn good grades upon leaving it, because how would I EVER function in the world living such a life of luxury and privilege!! And we all know how RISK FREE the military is! Why, I'm not sure anyone's so much as stubbed their toe while they served. The very thought is absurd!

Oh if only I could be on welfare forever!

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23-09-2011, 04:08 PM
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(22-09-2011 11:50 AM)17thknight Wrote:  
(22-09-2011 03:30 AM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  The US military is little more than a giant government welfare program anymore.

You're right, we're all on welfare in the military. How could I ever cut it in the real world?! Jobs and education scare and frighten me.

Why, if I join the military, I can earn $15,000 a year while working 100+ hours a week on a nuclear reactor in a dangerous industrial environment, making half of minimum wage! The best part is that for half the year I will have no contact with the outside world to the point where I won't even see sunlight for months on end! They're practically GIVING this money away!!!!

And before all that, you're practically put through special ed with schools like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Nuclear_Power_School
where the curriculum of teaching nuclear physics, thermodynamics, and training people to operate a nuclear reactor in the course of a year seems like nothing more than molly-coddling. Why, they may as well hand those diplomas out they're so easy to get!

And let's not forget what happens when you leave the military! Oh my, the world is so scary and strange. I had no idea how I could pay for college without the military doing it for me ;_; I'm so used to having such an easy welfare-life that I was confused and frightened by the prospect of paying for my classes. Thankfully, scholarships and grants paid for all my education because of my 3.9 GPA....so it's like MORE WELFARE!

it's a good thing I never had to work a minute in my life in the military, nor earn good grades upon leaving it, because how would I EVER function in the world living such a life of luxury and privilege!! And we all know how RISK FREE the military is! Why, I'm not sure anyone's so much as stubbed their toe while they served. The very thought is absurd!

Oh if only I could be on welfare forever!

One job, out of the millions of jobs in the military, most of which require the intellectual skills of a trained monkey. I know all about tech school, and it's 'programs' you learn the barest of the bare to keep yourself alive while doing your job. Don't try and razzle dazzle me with bullshit, most of your training is done on the job. Tech school is meant to apply to the lowest common denominator, they spoon feed you curriculum, yes I agree some tech schools are 'hard', but usually only the brightest are able to get into the 'hard' schools in the first place.

You and I both know that many military members piss their scholarship away.

Anyway, members like you are the worst, you expect everyone to kiss your ass because you enlisted.

Yes, I think for the MAJORITY of military, it's a big welfare program for people who could not hack it in life. Sure SOME military went in to pay for college, but it's generally for people who ran out of options.

Anyways, your little speech was seen right though, next time toot your own horn somewhere else.

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23-09-2011, 04:37 PM
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(22-09-2011 11:50 AM)17thknight Wrote:  
(22-09-2011 03:30 AM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  The US military is little more than a giant government welfare program anymore.

You're right, we're all on welfare in the military. How could I ever cut it in the real world?! Jobs and education scare and frighten me.

Why, if I join the military, I can earn $15,000 a year while working 100+ hours a week on a nuclear reactor in a dangerous industrial environment, making half of minimum wage! The best part is that for half the year I will have no contact with the outside world to the point where I won't even see sunlight for months on end! They're practically GIVING this money away!!!!

And before all that, you're practically put through special ed with schools like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Nuclear_Power_School
where the curriculum of teaching nuclear physics, thermodynamics, and training people to operate a nuclear reactor in the course of a year seems like nothing more than molly-coddling. Why, they may as well hand those diplomas out they're so easy to get!

And let's not forget what happens when you leave the military! Oh my, the world is so scary and strange. I had no idea how I could pay for college without the military doing it for me ;_; I'm so used to having such an easy welfare-life that I was confused and frightened by the prospect of paying for my classes. Thankfully, scholarships and grants paid for all my education because of my 3.9 GPA....so it's like MORE WELFARE!

it's a good thing I never had to work a minute in my life in the military, nor earn good grades upon leaving it, because how would I EVER function in the world living such a life of luxury and privilege!! And we all know how RISK FREE the military is! Why, I'm not sure anyone's so much as stubbed their toe while they served. The very thought is absurd!

Oh if only I could be on welfare forever!


You did not even read my post....

I wasnt really talking about the poor people serving, although you could make an argument for that as well. You are also hardcore exaggerating about duty on a submarine, and then amazingly extrapolating that fictional experience to every serviceman. Despite the fact the number of serviceman on submarine is incredibly small, ohh and voluntary btw.
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26-09-2011, 01:15 AM (This post was last modified: 26-09-2011 01:29 AM by 17thknight.)
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(23-09-2011 04:37 PM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  You did not even read my post....

I wasnt really talking about the poor people serving, although you could make an argument for that as well. You are also hardcore exaggerating about duty on a submarine, and then amazingly extrapolating that fictional experience to every serviceman. Despite the fact the number of serviceman on submarine is incredibly small, ohh and voluntary btw.

No, I'm not. The duty on a submarine is brutally difficult. 3+ months without so much as a whisper from the outside world. 100+ hours as an average throughout the year for your work hours. Exceptionally dangerous work, that is also monotonous in the extreme. Do you have any idea what it's like to be one of 10 people on something as complex as a ballistic missile submarine that is capable of doing electrical work? Ten people to work everything the reactor to the coffee pot.

I read your post beginning to end.
And yes, when you imply that military service is a "welfare program" you are implying that the people who are in the military don't earn every fucking cent. You think you could do my job? You're more than welcome to try. There's a reason that a couple people every year who have my job put a gun in their mouth. One of my friends blew the back of his skull out with a shotgun while we were still in training, at Ballston Spa, because the 16 hours per day of nuclear physics (and the incessant feeling of being a failure if you can't cut it) simply made him snap, and they almost broke me too. So no, maybe every person doesn't have that experience, but don't act like this is some molly-coddled bunch of pussies who are in it for an easy paycheck.

And yeah, sub service is voluntary, but you are forced to choose whether or not to volunteer while in boot camp, you don't know wha tyou're getting into, you're lied to about what it will be like, and once you've signed that piece of paper that volunteers you for it then you're stuck with that decision. No going back.
(23-09-2011 04:08 PM)monkeyshine89 Wrote:  I know all about tech school, and it's 'programs' you learn the barest of the bare to keep yourself alive while doing your job. Don't try and razzle dazzle me with bullshit, most of your training is done on the job. Tech school is meant to apply to the lowest common denominator, they spoon feed you curriculum, yes I agree some tech schools are 'hard', but usually only the brightest are able to get into the 'hard' schools in the first place.

You and I both know that many military members piss their scholarship away.

Anyway, members like you are the worst, you expect everyone to kiss your ass because you enlisted.

Yes, I think for the MAJORITY of military, it's a big welfare program for people who could not hack it in life. Sure SOME military went in to pay for college, but it's generally for people who ran out of options.

Anyways, your little speech was seen right though, next time toot your own horn somewhere else.

This isn't "tech school". I went through a school that required a minimum of 60 hours a week in classrooms learning everything from nuclear physics to electrical theory to thermodynamics. The average time someone spent in classrooms was about 70 hours a week, and that was before you were at prototype, where you are actually learning to run a reactor, which is an average of 12-16 hours each day, every day. Don't compare some random dude's A-school to nuclear power school. They are entirely different worlds. Nor is this some tiny little job. Every carrier and sub is run by nuclear reactors, and it takes 1/3 of a sub crew to do it, and hundreds of people on a carrier. The Navy wouldn't function without this job, it's not some isolated little niche.

MIlitary members piss their scholarships away? Really? Maybe you did, but of everyone I know who has gotten out they all either went on to college or they began working at a civilian nuclear reactor straight out of the Navy. Almost everyone who wasn't planning on going to college afterwards was taking classes while they were in.

You had a shitty experience while you were in, but don't correlate that to the majority of those who serve.

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26-09-2011, 12:43 PM (This post was last modified: 26-09-2011 12:46 PM by mysticjbyrd.)
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No, the welfare the program is for the manufacturing programs and research programs that they fund like its going out of style.

The new F-22 Raptor costs about a billion dollars each, yet we havent even used them. Do we really need a new billion dollar jet to fight the Russians back in 1980? There are 50,000 troops stationed in Germany, many more in Vietnam and Korea. Forget backing out of Afghanistan and Irag, how about back out of those countries. I am pretty sure Germany is cool now. The people who work at Area-51, drive to an airport AND FLY there every day.

And you could go on.

PS: How is it anyone, but your fault if you do not know what you are signing. Lots of places force you to sign things, school, work, etc...,but it does not mean you have to be ignorant of what it says. And like I said previously, the Sub service is very small, and not the common military experience.
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26-09-2011, 04:03 PM
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(26-09-2011 12:43 PM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  No, the welfare the program is for the manufacturing programs and research programs that they fund like its going out of style.

The new F-22 Raptor costs about a billion dollars each, yet we havent even used them. Do we really need a new billion dollar jet to fight the Russians back in 1980? There are 50,000 troops stationed in Germany, many more in Vietnam and Korea. Forget backing out of Afghanistan and Irag, how about back out of those countries. I am pretty sure Germany is cool now. The people who work at Area-51, drive to an airport AND FLY there every day.

And you could go on.

Ahhhhhhhhh, I completely misunderstood who you were directing your comments towards and I apologize for my reaction, my fault.

In my own defense, I have heard these same arguments and they are almost invariably directed towards those who serve, not the cushy military contracts that politicians spread around like whipped cream on pie.

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03-10-2011, 06:45 AM
 
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(16-09-2011 06:32 AM)monkeyshine89 Wrote:  
(15-09-2011 11:54 PM)aarontheman Wrote:  
(14-09-2011 11:19 AM)monkeyshine89 Wrote:  
Quote:your statement about enlisting being just raising your right hand and saying something is complete bullshit. how about you enlist and go through basic training. i bet you wouldnt even get through it. im confused though, as you said we, which makes it sound like your in the military. however, i dont think anyone in the military would say all you have to do to join is raise your right hand and enlist. you would have had to go to basic, your job training, and whatever specialist training you took, if you went that route. and i do realize how much the military gets paid, and unless you are an officer, you make shit. there are many benefits, but you have to understand the fact that this is a job that puts your life at risk. jobs with a risk of death should have high benefits and high pay. i just joined the army today. most of my family has been in the military and i just dont understand if youre in the military how you could misrepresent it like that. youre either hateful towards it because you want out now, or you are lying and youre not in the military.

LOL!
I guess we have ourselves a new recruit here.

Welcome to the army, I hope you have a guaranteed job, or did very well on the ASVAB, otherwise it's infantry for you.

Yes, I was in the military, as an aircraft maintainer, by AFSC was 2A53XA air craft communications and navigation, aka avionics. Now I'm in the reserves since I am overseas.

Anyways, nothing I've said has been hateful or misrepresentation, when you have been in the military family (I was raised by a military mom and dad and lived on bases my whole life) and part of the service for as long as I have, you will definitely see that self entitled DBS (Dirt Bag Soldiers) outnumber regular joes 10 to 1.

Even if you go into infantry, you are actually much safer in Iraq or Afghanistan then you are at your home station. Yeah, scary situations happen, but you know what, that's for a lot of jobs that deal with that kind of stuff. Cops see combat all of the freaking time, yet you don't here us singing their praises on 4th of July, they are the ones that are ACTUALLY keeping our nation safe, military just protects national interests. We haven't been in a defensive war since WWII, and even that is up for debate.

As for military pay, I am assuming you are a young adult, either fresh out of high school, or someone who has run out of options. As a private in the military you make ALOT more then you would be outside of the military, plus your rent and food is paid for. That is a sweet deal for someone with no training or job experience. I think military pay is more than generous, those that bitch about it being low are the same people who spend it all on big screen TVs and fancy cars.

Plus talk about the benefits, I could spend all night typing out all of the benefits you get in the military, and keep in mind, only a small fraction of the military actually does the 'fighting', most of the military is support. And as I mentioned before, many other professions are MUCH MUCH MUCH more dangerous then any post in the military, yet they don't half the respect and benefits the military does.

Also, don't act like basic training or A school is a sacrifice, basic training is a piece of cake (unless you are a Marine... but they like shitty things like that) and tech school is little more than a paid vacation. Just play the game and you will do fine.

So my advice for you, GI Joe, is to deflate your head a little bit, especially since you are new to the service. Or you can just let all of it go to your head and be another DBS who gets chewed up and spit out.

Have a great day

-Staff Sargent Franklin

ok, first off i scored 98 on the asvab, and im going to be a medic. however,i never wanted to be one of the guys that never sees action and claims to be a soildier. so after i get medic experience that will help me in medical school, ill take steps to be special forces like my cousin.im not like some of the trailer trash guys that just wanna be a ranger sniper or something, im sure you know who im talking about. maybe thats what you meant by dirtbag soldier.i lettered in 3 sports in high school(football,track,wrestling), and wrestled in college. im still in excellant shape and very atheletic and ive never met any physical request that i couldnt meet. and yeah, i picked up hatred and distain off of you.i know all about the benefits,im joining to fund my med school.im not out of options, ive always wanted to fight,and i will after a few years as a medic.the war may or may not have been started for good reasons,i dont know,and no matter what you say, you dont know either.alot of good has come from it.an evil dictactor was overthrown,a democratic system was set up in that nation, religiously sanctified violense agaisnt nonbelievers,women, and children is being fought.and with my ideals,i can fight for that.it doesnt matter if oil has anything to do with it.the fact that were fighting these people should make us all glad.im not bigheaded, i was just shocked at how cynical and even hateful you sounded.by the way, im denying my college training for an officer at first so i can train and fight with the real solfiers.when i want a family and im about to make the switch from miltary to civillian medical field ill try to get my officer rank, but not before.you sound disheartened and bitter. im not gunna let that happen to me. if i die fighting oppressive religion, then im fine with that. maybe you dont feel that way. dont belittle me while i give it a try though.and dont belittle the military.im really sick of all the nerds and inbreeds here wanting to be a sniper,but i still wanna stick up for them

Well that's great you are going to college, most of the guys in the service get caught up with careers and families and don't end up going to college (so please don't get married and have children until you have that degree, trust me).

As far as your little rant about your talents, I could give a shit less how athletic you are for one, good for you I guess? Good job on a 98, though I rather doubt you are telling the truth as they are very hard to achieve. If you were so smart, why didn't you just go to college, oh right, you 'always wanted to fight'... reason be damned.

I have yet to see good come from any war, sure we have overthrown Saddam (who we put there in the first place), but in place we have become ruthless terrorists. The democratic system we set up is a puppet that we can control.

Oil has EVERYTHING to do with this war, do you think we would be in this shithole unless it had something we wanted? This isn't a war of goodwill or peace. We are in the middle east to search and destroy terrorists (who by strange coincidence have the oil.. hmm)... not to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi/Afgahni people. Sure we might build a school or two, for the sake of media awareness, but no, we are there to kill people, that is what the military does.

If you watched that little video I had up top a lot of soldiers are cynical and angry about the military. They are angry that their brothers and sisters DIED GIVING THEIR ONLY LIFE... TO AN UNJUST UNNEEDED WAR. In fact some of the biggest protests groups are veterans and military families. Many young soldiers go in thinking it's fun or a game, that war is cool and glamorous. This has got to stop.

War is hell, you are killing real people. Do you think the bombs we fucking drop on these villages give a shit about who is innocent and guilty? Do you know how many war crimes have been committed by US troops only to go unreported? But whatever, it's 'us against them'

When you go off to war, and you go off to a combat zone, I really want you to think about what I said, to maybe keep a little note. You think I'm cynical and jaded, that I'm just a bitter old asshole, fine, you are entitled to your opinion. But when you come back from deployment, please leave me a message or go ahead and post somewhere in the forum, I'm pretty sure you will be singing a different song.

ok, first of all sir, ive got a few words for you. i did make a 98 on the asvab, despite what you believe. and you didnt listen to what i had to say, i said i want money for med school. ive already been to college. how bout you hear me out before you judge me. the only reason i sung my own goddamn praises, was because you hinted i was probably a dirtbag soldier! i had a slight idea of what you meant, and i said what i thought that was. like the tons of scrawny trailer trash, nerdy types that want to be snipers and green berets and all that. so dont tell me you dont care about my achievements, when the only reason i told you about them was because you hinted i was a dirtbag or garbage. i dont like to brag, but i do stick up for myself. and by the way, with how liberal media is today, i dont believe much goes unreported at all. thats bullshit. say what you want, every scrap that can be put out to make us look bad gets out there. maybe sometimes something slips under the radar but that is a rarity. i know all about the rules of engagement, and how we have to wait untill were fired upon to even shoot a terrorist. and even then we have to fire a warning shot first. i dont see how you, a soldier, would misrepresent everything like this.
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(10-09-2011 03:48 AM)monkeyshine89 Wrote:  Although I think most people already know on the forum, let's make it clear that I served in the air force, along with my dad and my husband and a heck a lot of my friends...

so on with the show.

I'm sure many of you Americans on this forum have heard of the hapless idiot, Soulja boy, a rapper who had the 'gall' to condemn the military and rap 'fuck the troops' and other stuff like this.

All of my friends, co-workers, family, and just about everyone I know is all up in arms about a few simple lines, from rappers who regularly sing about beating women and killing cops or other gang members.

I'm totally sick of America coddling the military, it's stupid and creepy and needs to stop. Anyone who says a single thing that does not ring true with 'support the troops' is branded as unamerican, unpatriotic and often told with glee, 'America, love it or leave it'.

Today's American military is the most coddled, self serving, and entitled bunch of brats that ever had the honor of putting on the uniform. With how military members are acting it makes me almost ashamed to have served.

Who else thinks that the military is taking things to seriously? And the American public has went from 'supportive' to 'stalker like'?

Hello MS89, first I would say that I have never served (something I look back on with mixed feelings), so this is just the opinion of a civilian. Having said that, as an American (and proud of that fact, even as I am proud of my Irish heritage, as well as my Indian (native, very small percentage...[not an apology...lol]) heritage, and, seeing that America is built upon the individual beliefs (and opinions) of all Americans...I dare to give my opinion.

But, keep in mind, it is just that, an opinion.

Secondly, having read just a few of the responses, I would ask if we would look at America's current return to what some would call patriotism and then exchange our personal opinions for reality in regards to the men and women that serve out of love for America. While in every "profession" there is good and bad, that does not change the reality of what our troops face when they are in situations brought about due to the fact that this is the profession they have chosen, whether the motivation was patriotism, hope of glory, a means for betterment from their current living conditions, what have you.

I have two family members currently serving, both of which are patriotic, yet both of which also realistic enough to understand that politics is not reserved for Washington and the civilian world. All of us will work with people that have been inappropriately placed (and unfortunately in superior positions at times), people we do not like, and sometimes, people that just make no sense whatsoever.

All that aside, that does not change the fact that if one is in the military, the probability that one will end up in combat is very real. Policeman do not join law enforcement hoping they never have to deal with criminals, nor firefighters hoping they never experience fire, why would those who join do so hoping they will...never go to war?

But what I wanted to focus on is when those in the military do end up in such situations. That is the proving ground. How they react in such situations will surely be as diverse as how police officers react in the situations they face. There is not one mold and one type of soldier, just like there is not "one kind of police officer."

Do I think the military is coddled? No more than I think Doctors are coddled. Or nurses, or teachers.

But when these soldiers in fact put their lives on the line, I do think they earn our respect. While I know there are some idiots among the ranks, there are also heros, heros that may not agree in religion, politics, what have you, but who do the work necessary because that is, after all...their job.

Sometimes when we disagree over politics we can end up on one extreme side or the other, but that does not change the fact that within the big picture of the military you have individual men and women and their families involved. You would have to speak to each one in order to find out their particular motivations and how they fulfill their duty. You will meet those you will not like, some you do, some you have great respect for, and even some that you cannot figure out.

Not so different than the civilian world.

But if I had my choice over whether the general public is giving respect to these or spitting on them...then I say I prefer the fact that there is an awareness of what our troops do, and the proper respect is given them.

As far as how the media presents them, I myself see that much of the coverage is negative...is it any wonder there are those that hate them?

Not once have I heard of men like my wife's cousin, former Marine who re-enlisted and served not one, but three tours in Iraq, If I am remembering correctly. He went back because he believed we were doing the right thing there. He interacted with the civilians there, and said they loved the troops.

I never hear about men like a doctor that works out of the office my wife works in: he has been to Iraq three times now in the reserves. The first time he went the hospital was under constant attack by terrorists (and if one does not believe that attacking a hospital is wrong, especially when natives are receiving treatment there as well, I don't know what to say about that), though by the second time we had defenses that would pinpoint where these rockets were launched from and have a response in the air before the incoming attack had even landed (which discouraged greatly the attacks on the hospital). This last time, there was another attack on this hospital, and I remember wondering if that was where this doctor was when I saw it in the news (turned out that in fact it was, he did not relay this info until coming home about a week ago, in order not to worry his wife).

Anyway, men like this I myself, as an American civilian, admire greatly, because they do not have the political ballasts that would keep them from doing something they see as not just their duty, but at least sometimes...their responsibility.

It are men like this that make our military great, despite the fact that perhaps they have as fellow soldiers those who may be motivated by other reasons.

My hat is off to them, because they represent a truth about American spirit that is true of probably no other country. They have noble hearts. They are willing to do what others will not. This doctor could get out, but he does not. He endangers his life to go over there and tend to our soldiers, and the civilians there. And he does not do it for money.

Lastly, on a side note, I would suggest this: in the last twenty years there has been a desensitizing of America in ways that some might not have considered. While I love video games (though I rarely get the chance to play them anymore), and recognize that there are benefits to them (i.e. eye-hand coordination, observation, etc.), I also think that many that grow up plating them, blowing heads off of enemies, et cetera, may sometimes be conditioned in a way that even in my generation, when video games were limited and hardly as graphic, was not.

I am not suggesting that they lose connection with reality, mind you, but I do think that these games may motivate some for certain things, such as sharpshooter, soldier, and that it is not until they catch up with true reality, meaning, they are in real combat situations, that they understand war as it truly is...horrible. But there are those who have a desire to "kill the enemy," the question is, "who is the enemy?"

Because you see, even as the big picture of the "military machine" is made up of diverse individuals and families...even so the big picture of the "enemy country" is made up of diverse individuals and families, all having differing beliefs and positions and religious and political beliefs.

I think that the probability that the combat veteran knows this better than anyone is very real.

Okay, just wanted to express a few thoughts. I will close with this: for the American Soldier, who is sometimes forced to grow up in the field, yet overcomes and exemplifies the nobility that is the foundation of the American Spirit, my hat is off to you.

Your sacrifices are not forgotten by some of us back here in the States, nor do we take lightly your service, but pray that God keeps you as you perform that which sometimes, just has to be done.

S.T.
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