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04-12-2013, 08:34 PM
RE: Mininum Wage Protest
(04-12-2013 08:28 PM)TheGulegon Wrote:  We could eat the poor Angel

A modest proposal, I see.

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04-12-2013, 08:41 PM
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(04-12-2013 08:28 PM)TheGulegon Wrote:  I would think that the protesters doing so after taking a good hard look at how the loaf of bread they buy & take back to their hovel to meet out sparingly over the next 2 weeks has tripled in price while their wages have remained constant in the same amount of time, have something to complain about!

But maybe I'm a bleeding heart liberal, and just don't know it Undecided
We could eat the poor Angel

Since college I've been living off of about 40 bucks a week for food (and that's little to no processed food). If you learn how to cook and only eat what you need, it isn't hard. Even at min. wage that is very manageable. I understand that if you have to provide for a whole family it's more expensive, but still the more portions you cook at once, generally the less expensive the per portion price is of the ingredients.

That said, I find the food argument not very convincing because I know you can feed yourself decently for chump change if you make sacrifices and live within your means.

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04-12-2013, 08:42 PM
RE: Mininum Wage Protest
(04-12-2013 11:02 AM)SparkByTouch Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 07:24 AM)black_squirrel Wrote:  What about your dad? Does he have a job? Does he earn the minimum wage?
Does he support your family financially? What about one single parent households
that have just 1 minimum wage to live on? The may not be able to afford
studying cosmetology.

My dad was working minimum wage at the early start of it all. He, unlike my mom, got ahead by working hard to gain experience needed to get promotions. He works a good paying job for a bank that handles finances of military personnel.

Well, it seems that by the time that your mother started studying cosmetology,
your father was already earning a decent wage. But suppose that your
mother would have to raise you by herself without the help of your father
(say, your father dissappeared for whatever reason when you were young).
Then she would not have been able to study, because she would have
to take care of you and wouldn't be able to pay for the study, nor would
she have had the time to study, because she would be working at
a minimum wage and taking care of you. That, unfortunately is a situation
where many single mom's are in. So to some extend, she was lucky,
and not all people are that lucky.
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04-12-2013, 08:45 PM
RE: Mininum Wage Protest
(04-12-2013 08:41 PM)Adrianime Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 08:28 PM)TheGulegon Wrote:  I would think that the protesters doing so after taking a good hard look at how the loaf of bread they buy & take back to their hovel to meet out sparingly over the next 2 weeks has tripled in price while their wages have remained constant in the same amount of time, have something to complain about!

But maybe I'm a bleeding heart liberal, and just don't know it Undecided
We could eat the poor Angel

Since college I've been living off of about 40 bucks a week for food (and that's little to no processed food). If you learn how to cook and only eat what you need, it isn't hard. Even at min. wage that is very manageable. I understand that if you have to provide for a whole family it's more expensive, but still the more portions you cook at once, generally the less expensive the per portion price is of the ingredients.

That said, I find the food argument not very convincing because I know you can feed yourself decently for chump change if you make sacrifices and live within your means.

The point was that if the prices for everything rise, and wages don't, then wage earners have a right, if not a good reason, to complain about it in protests.
i.e. Pay me more money, or stop charging me more & more for EVERYthing, etc...

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04-12-2013, 08:50 PM
RE: Mininum Wage Protest
(04-12-2013 08:45 PM)TheGulegon Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 08:41 PM)Adrianime Wrote:  Since college I've been living off of about 40 bucks a week for food (and that's little to no processed food). If you learn how to cook and only eat what you need, it isn't hard. Even at min. wage that is very manageable. I understand that if you have to provide for a whole family it's more expensive, but still the more portions you cook at once, generally the less expensive the per portion price is of the ingredients.

That said, I find the food argument not very convincing because I know you can feed yourself decently for chump change if you make sacrifices and live within your means.

The point was that if the prices for everything rise, and wages don't, then wage earners have a right, if not a good reason, to complain about it in protests.
i.e. Pay me more money, or stop charging me more & more for EVERYthing, etc...

Which says to me that inflation could be a big part of the problem, that and the value of our dollar decreasing, or is that the same thing? I haven't got a lot of knowledge in economics though Blush Confused
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04-12-2013, 08:59 PM
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(04-12-2013 06:30 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  That's how you get a head in life [...]
I've been told that you can also get head for five bucks in certain areas. Alternatively, you could always visit an executioner. Consider

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04-12-2013, 09:05 PM
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(04-12-2013 06:30 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  There's gonna be toilet scrubbers in every society.
BUT when you have no education and no skills wtf do you expect?

It bothers me that people drop out of school at like 14 and than go into flipping burgers and than all they do is complain about how shit "society" has fucked them over.
There's no accountability for one's own actions anymore. It's always their fault, never my fault. This is why I hate poor people.
In this case it's societies or the man's fault. The fact that they dropped out of school at 14 and/or have no skills is entirely irrelevant in their eyes.

What the OP is saying is just this. People blame everyone else but fail to address the actual problem, them.
In the OP's case, his mother was in a shitty situation and rather than bitch and whine and blame society or the man she got off her ass and worked her way up the ladder. And bloody good on her I say.

That's how you get a head in life, you educate yourself, you get skills, you save, you work hard etc.. Work ethic and ambition is the only thing that separates those that move up and those that stay down.

Not all poor people are lazy and uneducated. You can hate me all you want, but I am educated and working in furthering my education. I also know the difference between then and than, so there's that...
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04-12-2013, 09:06 PM
RE: Mininum Wage Protest
(04-12-2013 08:45 PM)TheGulegon Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 08:41 PM)Adrianime Wrote:  Since college I've been living off of about 40 bucks a week for food (and that's little to no processed food). If you learn how to cook and only eat what you need, it isn't hard. Even at min. wage that is very manageable. I understand that if you have to provide for a whole family it's more expensive, but still the more portions you cook at once, generally the less expensive the per portion price is of the ingredients.

That said, I find the food argument not very convincing because I know you can feed yourself decently for chump change if you make sacrifices and live within your means.

The point was that if the prices for everything rise, and wages don't, then wage earners have a right, if not a good reason, to complain about it in protests.
i.e. Pay me more money, or stop charging me more & more for EVERYthing, etc...

It does seem reasonable for min. wage to rise with inflation. But $7->$15 is ridiculous.

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05-12-2013, 01:50 AM
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(04-12-2013 06:42 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 01:26 AM)BryanS Wrote:  The fast food workers protesting recently over wages don't seem to realize how easy it would be (and more cost effective) to replace many of them with ATMs and machines rather than doubling their wages.

Yes and how is it their fault that greed causes the owners to abuse society like that? Seriously fuck them. There is no excuse with 57 trillion GDP that anyone at any class should be in any type of abject poverty.

Japan and Germany also have fry cooks and dishwashers and janitors too. What they dont have is the pay gap. They also have a better educated society including their poor being more educated.

This is more 1% bullshit libertarian Ayn Rand garbage.

WE the the tax payers are subsidizing these corporate bullies low wages. If these assholes want more people off the government dime the best way to do that is to increase wages. PERIOD!

Nick Hanour a BILLIONAIRE agrees that WE the workers create jobs because we are the bulk of the buying public that create the demand. The more money we have in our pockets the more demand we create. Business's wont hire anymore people than they have to and the only thing that causes them to is DEMAND and we are the buying public WE create that demand.

It's 'abuse' to pay someone what the fruits of their labor are worth? You expect people to pay more than what the value of the work they perform is worth? This is more bullshit socialist twaddle.

I made only one point in my post, which you conveniently failed to address in your tangential "argument". My one point was that if we went and doubled minimum wages for my example of the fast food industry, it would in fact be cheaper just to lay most employees off and replace them with machines at that point. You fail to address the indisputable fact that if the cost of labor is more than available technology that could replace this labor, the company can just replace eliminate those employees.

Machines don't need vacation, don't need holiday pay, don't have attendance problems, don't need health insurance, and don't need 'living wages'. Wouldn't it be great if we just jacked up minimum wage and replaced everyone with machines? Than whiny, pontificating, guilt-ridden moralizers such as you won't have to feel uncomfortable being served by a low wage employee.
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05-12-2013, 02:19 AM
RE: Mininum Wage Protest
(05-12-2013 01:50 AM)BryanS Wrote:  It's 'abuse' to pay someone what the fruits of their labor are worth? You expect people to pay more than what the value of the work they perform is worth? This is more bullshit socialist twaddle.

I made only one point in my post, which you conveniently failed to address in your tangential "argument". My one point was that if we went and doubled minimum wages for my example of the fast food industry, it would in fact be cheaper just to lay most employees off and replace them with machines at that point. You fail to address the indisputable fact that if the cost of labor is more than available technology that could replace this labor, the company can just replace eliminate those employees.

Machines don't need vacation, don't need holiday pay, don't have attendance problems, don't need health insurance, and don't need 'living wages'. Wouldn't it be great if we just jacked up minimum wage and replaced everyone with machines? Than whiny, pontificating, guilt-ridden moralizers such as you won't have to feel uncomfortable being served by a low wage employee.

There is a reason why they haven't moved to that already. They rely on the low wage earners to eat at their restaurants, not to mention keep people from boycotting their stores altogether out of sheer disgust.

This, without mentioning the fact that these companies are making money hand over fist, and somehow rightwing morons keep thinking that money going all the way to the top without any of it making it's way to the bottom is completely acceptable. Trickle down economics my ass. If these companies are fine with making the social safety net a part of their business model, it is the duty of the government to ensure that they are putting more into the pot to pay for it. That, or force them to actually give a damn about their employees wages, since they obviously can't or won't do it on their own.

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