Minnesota Republicans say: Poor people with money should be outlaws
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27-03-2011, 01:06 PM (This post was last modified: 27-03-2011 01:11 PM by sosa.)
Minnesota Republicans say: Poor people with money should be outlaws
Quote:St. Paul, MN – Minnesota Republicans are pushing legislation that would make it a crime for people on public assistance to have more $20 in cash in their pockets any given month. This represents a change from their initial proposal, which banned them from having any money at all.

On March 15, Angel Buechner of the Welfare Rights Committee testified in front of the House Health and Human Services Reform Committee on House File 171. Buechner told committee members, “We would like to address the provision that makes it illegal for MFIP [one of Minnesota’s welfare programs] families to withdraw cash from the cash portion of the MFIP grant - and in fact, appears to make it illegal for MFIP families to have any type of money at all in their pockets. How do you expect people to take care of business like paying bills such as lights, gas, water, trash and phone?”

House File 171 would make it so that families on MFIP - and disabled single adults on General Assistance and Minnesota Supplemental Aid - could not have their cash grants in cash or put into a checking account. Rather, they could only use a state-issued debit card at special terminals in certain businesses that are set up to accept the card.

The bill also calls for unconstitutional residency requirements, not allowing the debit card to be used across state lines and other provisions that the Welfare Rights Committee and others consider unacceptable.

Buechner testified, “We’ll leave you with this. It is not right to punish a whole group because of the supposed actions of a few. You in this room could have a pretty rough time if that was the case. It is not right to stigmatize and dehumanize women living the hard life of trying to raise children while living 60% below the poverty level. It is not right to use racist, bumper-sticker hate to inflict human misery for political gain.”

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March 15, 2011

SAN FRANCISCO (CBS) – San Francisco police officers have started enforcing the city’s new ban on sitting and lying on the sidewalk.

In November, voters approved the sit/lie law, which makes it illegal to hang out on San Francisco sidewalks between 7 am and 11 pm.

Finally, after a few months of training, police officers are starting to enforce the law, giving verbal or written warnings for now.

Steve has been sitting on the Haight Street sidewalk for 40 years and got his first warning on Tuesday.

“The cops said that the first time, we get admonished. And then after that, they’ll start filling out tickets,” he said. “They only have a select few that they’re going to choose to do that with.”

Those tickets will start at $50 and could escalate to $500 or even jail time.

Bar owner Brian Molony owns Martin Mack’s and is one of the founders of the new Haight Ashbury Merchants Association.

He said he hasn’t noticed an impact yet, but he hopes the law will help police clean up the Haight, especially at the corner of Haight and Masonic.

“Businesses there really have a hard time,” he said. “People don’t want to walk over people who are peeing on the street. The whole thing is a disaster there.”

Officers who are patrolling the beat said for now, they will direct people to city services and not hand out tickets.

Why not just make it a crime to be poor? /sarcasm

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27-03-2011, 01:16 PM
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*again sarcasm* I thought that's what we were trying to do? Oh s#!t I'm about to be a criminal...

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27-03-2011, 01:27 PM
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This reminds me of this book called "Prisons of Poverty" where it's stated that there's a tendency to criminalize poverty as such through a variety of measures (like that one above). Since clearly certain laws either only apply to poor people or only poor people can be made accountable (because they aren't able to defend themselves in this legal system).

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27-03-2011, 01:31 PM
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(27-03-2011 01:27 PM)sosa Wrote:  This reminds me of this book called "Prisons of Poverty" where it's stated that there's a tendency to criminalize poverty as such through a variety of measures (like that one above). Since clearly certain laws either only apply to poor people or only poor people can be made accountable (because they aren't able to defend themselves in this legal system).
How many examples are there of this? I always think of celebrities and drugs when I think of the disparities between rich people and average or poor people. It seems like celebrities never get more than a smack on the wrist, with Paris being the exception. But poor people don't get that kind of consideration, once you have a first strike against you they throw the book at you. But now I'm curious if there is more going on than just differences in drug related of offenses.

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27-03-2011, 01:40 PM (This post was last modified: 27-03-2011 02:02 PM by sosa.)
RE: Minnesota Republicans say: Poor people with money should be outlaws
"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread." - Anatole France

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27-03-2011, 02:40 PM
 
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I think what inflames the outrage in this matter is, it's nothing that wouldn't be out of reach of the Rethuglicans giving it a try.



H.F 171
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF MINNESOTA:

1.9 Section 1. [256.9870] ELECTRONIC BENEFIT TRANSFER DEBIT CARD.
1.10 Subdivision 1. Electronic benefit transfer or EBT debit card. (a) Electronic
1.11benefit transfer (EBT) debit cardholders in the general assistance program and the
1.12Minnesota supplemental aid program under chapter 256D and programs under chapter
1.13256J are prohibited from withdrawing cash from an automatic teller machine or receiving
1.14cash from vendors with the EBT debit card. The EBT debit card may only be used as a
1.15debit card.
1.16(b) Beginning July 1, 2011, cash benefits for programs listed under paragraph (a)
1.17must be issued on a separate EBT card with the head of household's name printed on the
1.18card. The card must also state that "It is unlawful to use this card to purchase tobacco
1.19products or alcoholic beverages." This card must be issued within 30 calendar days of
1.20an eligibility determination. During the initial 30 calendar days of eligibility, a recipient
1.21may have cash benefits issued on an EBT card without the recipient's name printed on the
1.22card. This card may be the same card on which food support is issued and does not need
1.23to meet the requirements of this section.
2.1© Notwithstanding paragraph (a), EBT cardholders may opt to have up to $20
2.2per month accessible via automatic teller machine or receive up to $20 cash back from
2.3a vendor.

Residency has been amended from 30 days to 90 days. That's a bit of a stretch, however it's common sense that public assistance be available to residents of a State only. So in effect, this OP article is inconsistent with the facts.
It's something I'm sure Snopes.com will have on it's page soon enough, just to clarify all the outrage that's being fostered online due to that.
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27-03-2011, 05:48 PM
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The rationale here is that if you're getting state aid you shouldn't have any money. Lately it seems like every other day I read about some Republican-backed legislation that is absolutely a parody of itself.

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27-03-2011, 06:18 PM
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While I agree that the welfare system is abused and bloated, this is the wrong way to go about doing it.

Personally, if you have a cell phone, pay TV, or internet then you no longer assistance from the state. If you get pregnant, smoke, drink or do drugs (all screened medically), then you no longer get assistance. This should also be expanded to include getting any new tattoos, but I'm flexible there.

Also, you do not receive funds for more than a year if you are not disabled.

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27-03-2011, 06:27 PM
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Fair enough...everyone who received bailout money should not be allowed to have any assets at all. In fact, I say take the salary of every company executive and replace it with a debit card that will give them $800 a month. And it should only be able to be used in certain places. In addition, their homes/stocks/bonds should be immediately seized by the government, and if they attempted to buy any of these kinds of things they should be thrown in a privatized jail where they will be forced to work at minimum wage

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27-03-2011, 06:51 PM
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Corporations should have never been bailed out. Most true capitalists agree on this. Hell, most real people agree on this.

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