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12-09-2014, 04:46 PM
RE: Missouri enacts 72 hour abortion waiting period
(12-09-2014 04:39 PM)Anjele Wrote:  
(12-09-2014 10:59 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  This has nothing to do with any of that. If it was a doctor advising you to wait that is one thing this is not that. This is part of an overall strategy that has been played out all over red states. It is trying to make getting a legal abortion impossible without extraordinary effort.

We need to also remember that this is the only surgery on demand. You can't walk into the doctor's office, clinic, or hospital and just sign in for the next available surgical suite and staff.

Considering that is not actually true, with most outpatient procedures you very much can walk in and have same day if it can be performed in office.

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12-09-2014, 04:47 PM
RE: Missouri enacts 72 hour abortion waiting period
(12-09-2014 04:46 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(12-09-2014 04:39 PM)Anjele Wrote:  We need to also remember that this is the only surgery on demand. You can't walk into the doctor's office, clinic, or hospital and just sign in for the next available surgical suite and staff.

Considering that is not actually true, with most outpatient procedures you very much can walk in and have same day if it can be performed in office.

Such as?

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12-09-2014, 04:49 PM
RE: Missouri enacts 72 hour abortion waiting period
(12-09-2014 04:47 PM)Anjele Wrote:  
(12-09-2014 04:46 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Considering that is not actually true, with most outpatient procedures you very much can walk in and have same day if it can be performed in office.

Such as?

Biopsies, Most routine dental work, scopes. Depends on what type of practice you are at and what they specialise in but abortion is by no means the only thing you can have done same day.

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12-09-2014, 04:57 PM
RE: Missouri enacts 72 hour abortion waiting period
(12-09-2014 04:49 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(12-09-2014 04:47 PM)Anjele Wrote:  Such as?

Biopsies, Most routine dental work, scopes. Depends on what type of practice you are at and what they specialise in but abortion is by no means the only thing you can have done same day.

Routine dental work does not compare to an abortion. Besides that, things beyond cleanings and x-rays are normally scheduled in advance.

Scopes are normally scheduled in advance, depending on what they are scoping you may have to drink gallons of nasty crap or be fasting - either way you knew that before your first encounter with the doctor.

Biopsies such as for skin cancer aren't always invasive to the level that an abortion is. I certainly had to pre-schedule my breast biopsy though it was done at the same clinic by the same doctor that ordered it.

I just don't think that a drive thru abortion is the best medical plan. Prior to nearly every invasive procedure there has been a prior consultation and with many there is advanced preparation of some sort.

I am against banning the availability of abortions. I am just not against waiting for up to three days when there is no imminent health risk.

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12-09-2014, 05:04 PM
RE: Missouri enacts 72 hour abortion waiting period
(12-09-2014 04:57 PM)Anjele Wrote:  
(12-09-2014 04:49 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Biopsies, Most routine dental work, scopes. Depends on what type of practice you are at and what they specialise in but abortion is by no means the only thing you can have done same day.

Routine dental work does not compare to an abortion. Besides that, things beyond cleanings and x-rays are normally scheduled in advance.

Scopes are normally scheduled in advance, depending on what they are scoping you may have to drink gallons of nasty crap or be fasting - either way you knew that before your first encounter with the doctor.

Biopsies such as for skin cancer aren't always invasive to the level that an abortion is. I certainly had to pre-schedule my breast biopsy though it was done at the same clinic by the same doctor that ordered it.

I just don't think that a drive thru abortion is the best medical plan. Prior to nearly every invasive procedure there has been a prior consultation and with many there is advanced preparation of some sort.

I am against banning the availability of abortions. I am just not against waiting for up to three days when there is no imminent health risk.

Again you are pretending this is happening in a vacuum. They have closed all but 1 clinic in the entire state. This means women have to travel as much as 300 miles to come to this 1 clinic and then are told they have to return in 3 days for no medical reason.

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12-09-2014, 05:08 PM
RE: Missouri enacts 72 hour abortion waiting period
(12-09-2014 05:04 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(12-09-2014 04:57 PM)Anjele Wrote:  Routine dental work does not compare to an abortion. Besides that, things beyond cleanings and x-rays are normally scheduled in advance.

Scopes are normally scheduled in advance, depending on what they are scoping you may have to drink gallons of nasty crap or be fasting - either way you knew that before your first encounter with the doctor.

Biopsies such as for skin cancer aren't always invasive to the level that an abortion is. I certainly had to pre-schedule my breast biopsy though it was done at the same clinic by the same doctor that ordered it.

I just don't think that a drive thru abortion is the best medical plan. Prior to nearly every invasive procedure there has been a prior consultation and with many there is advanced preparation of some sort.

I am against banning the availability of abortions. I am just not against waiting for up to three days when there is no imminent health risk.

Again you are pretending this is happening in a vacuum. They have closed all but 1 clinic in the entire state. This means women have to travel as much as 300 miles to come to this 1 clinic and then are told they have to return in 3 days for no medical reason.

No, I am not. All I said was that I didn't think a three day waiting period is completely wrong prior to an invasive medical procedure - you are the one freaked out saying that I also mean a severe fracture should be left for three days. Not the same thing at all. One is elective, one is an urgent medical need.

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12-09-2014, 05:10 PM
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Wow lots of stuff flying around in here. I think what Adrian and anjele are mostly saying is that they don't see the three day waiting as a big deal. Ok, I'll give you that. In a majority of cases it probably won't change the outcome.

What I think we have to ask here however, is if this waiting period is in any way beneficial. If a medical procedure is going to have a restriction like this added to it, I really feel there needs to be a medical benefit to adding said restriction.

I can't think of one good reason for it other than to make them harder to obtain because... "abortions are bad, mm'kay?"

I think we can all agree that women are not making the decision lightly, so extra time for consideration is out. With the number of previously successful abortions without a waiting period prior to this ruling we can see there's likely no medical benefit to waiting. Plus, if there is any medical reason there does need to be some time between initial visit and abortion, I'd bet a doctor would gladly make that call themselves.

I don't want to give the anti-choicers even the tiniest of victories. History on this topic has proven that once they get small restrictions in pace, their next move is to build on that restriction, or use it as a means to work in more restrictions. I know, kind of a slippery slope argument, but it's their MO.

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12-09-2014, 05:10 PM
RE: Missouri enacts 72 hour abortion waiting period
(12-09-2014 05:08 PM)Anjele Wrote:  
(12-09-2014 05:04 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Again you are pretending this is happening in a vacuum. They have closed all but 1 clinic in the entire state. This means women have to travel as much as 300 miles to come to this 1 clinic and then are told they have to return in 3 days for no medical reason.

No, I am not. All I said was that I didn't think a three day waiting period is completely wrong prior to an invasive medical procedure - you are the one freaked out saying that I also mean a severe fracture should be left for three days. Not the same thing at all. One is elective, one is an urgent medical need.

Neither is by medical advice however, which you are fine with in the one case.

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12-09-2014, 05:14 PM
RE: Missouri enacts 72 hour abortion waiting period
Bottom line for me, if there is no medical benefit to adding the waiting period, it's unethical.

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12-09-2014, 05:17 PM
RE: Missouri enacts 72 hour abortion waiting period
As someone who seriously considered an abortion at one time I have given this more thought than I care to revisit.

As someone who was there when a person close to me made the decision, I know that we had to drive 180 miles round trip for her to be checked out physically - health stuff - vitals, etc. The procedures were being done in other rooms while we where there making sure she was healthy enough to have the procedure. They also did blood work. We were scheduled to come back in two days. We were given a prescription for antibiotics and pain meds to have filled. The antibiotics were to be started the next day. The pain meds were to be brought with us so she would have on the drive back after the procedure.

It was all very professional and medically sound. It did require 360 miles on the road and a couple of half days at the clinic.

It's not something that was unreasonable.

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