Misuse of the No True Scotsman Fallacy
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21-08-2015, 02:05 PM
RE: Misuse of the No True Scotsman Fallacy
(20-08-2015 09:13 AM)Gilgamesh Wrote:  
(20-08-2015 08:40 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Depending on your answer to that question, we can then logically decide if everyone who says they are a Christian is one or whether everyone who follows (who imitates, who pursues, who obeys) Jesus Christ is a true Christian indeed.

To follow, to imitate, to pursue, to obey; these are all very ambiguous actions. This information does not allow one to discern true christians from non-true christians.

You're right. There are Christian atheists who try to do just that. But Q will probably say they're not true Christians.

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21-08-2015, 02:18 PM
RE: Misuse of the No True Scotsman Fallacy
(21-08-2015 12:11 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(20-08-2015 11:15 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  True Christians have heavenly citizenship.

Thanks.

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21-08-2015, 02:28 PM
RE: Misuse of the No True Scotsman Fallacy
(21-08-2015 02:05 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(20-08-2015 09:13 AM)Gilgamesh Wrote:  To follow, to imitate, to pursue, to obey; these are all very ambiguous actions. This information does not allow one to discern true christians from non-true christians.

You're right. There are Christian atheists who try to do just that. But Q will probably say they're not true Christians.

Well, fuck. Even I'd say they're not True Christians™. Dodgy

But if there were a heaven, they'd get there ahead of Q and his ilk. Big Grin

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21-08-2015, 04:49 PM
RE: Misuse of the No True Scotsman Fallacy
(20-08-2015 04:14 PM)Gilgamesh Wrote:  
(20-08-2015 11:14 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  How is it ambiguous?

All those terms are often used heavily for their figurative connotations, thus they are ambiguous. You are not literally following Jesus, who is long dead, so you are invoking the figurative usage here; you are 'following', or advocating for, his principles, or as you said, tenets. But these tenets are necessarily your interpretation of what his principles are, since he's not able to verify himself. Other people who also identify as christians would interpret different tenets, contradictory ones even; thus they say you are not a true christian, and you say they aren't.

So saying the way to discern a true christian from a non-true christian is to observe whether they're actually following the tenets of christ is meaningless, since we don't know objectively what these tenets are, and even if you define them; how do we know your interpretation is correct? We can't.

I am "liking" this post mainly because you spelled "tenets" correctly. Nobody ever does that.
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21-08-2015, 05:24 PM
RE: Misuse of the No True Scotsman Fallacy
(21-08-2015 02:18 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  
(21-08-2015 12:11 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Nice story bro.
Needs some vampires and maybe a talking sloth. Then you'll ready for Hollywood.

This scene does not contain a lap dance.

Is this followed by a ding of a sin being added, or an unding of a sin being subtracted?
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21-08-2015, 09:58 PM
RE: Misuse of the No True Scotsman Fallacy
(20-08-2015 08:48 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Wow. I'm uncertain how you arrived at that conclusion.
Because you have a history of all those things on this forum. A well known history Q.

(20-08-2015 08:48 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  I get a lot more converts and fruit off the TTA forums.
Of course you would get more people willing to listen to your inane bullshit away from the place where everyone one knows your bullshit is bullshit, why it's bullshit, and can successfully argue against your bullshit and demonstrate that it is in fact bullshit.
Are we supposed to be impressed when you go sit at the kiddy table of this subject and get the, competitively, uneducated people to play with what few crayons you haven't eaten yet?

(20-08-2015 08:48 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  If I wanted to "lure 'em in with tricks" what in the Sam Hill would I be doing on an atheist forum?!
Feeding your persecution complex? Feeding your, false, superiority complex? Being a anonymous cunt for the lulz? Take your pick fucko but the fact is you have a known history of both moral and intellectual dishonesty.

(20-08-2015 08:48 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  2. I show the gospel and love of Jesus to do so. There's no need to resort to trickery with lost persons.
And yet that is exactly what you try to do here on a regular basis.

(20-08-2015 08:48 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  3. You don't know me, at all.
Oh please.Rolleyes
Several of us have been able to predict your answers, your tone, and EXACTLY what parts of an argument your going to fail to grasp. It's kind of an open and running joke for a lot of us. I knew just be reading the title of this thread that you would bitch about us accusing you of repeatedly committing the NTS fallacy in regards to Christians and that in your cry baby whining you would ONCE AGAIN prove you don't even understand what does and does not constitute a NTS Fallacy. Which you fucking did naturally.
We know you plenty good enough to view you as the joke you are. We don't need to know you any better. However that said no one here needs to know ANYTHING about you personally to know you are a dishonest, evasive, dodgy fuck we just need to read your post history.Drinking Beverage

(20-08-2015 08:48 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  ... I respond with patience, love and logic to a bunch of TTAtheists who constantly curse and mock me?
You have a very selective memory because there have been many times you have been just a down right dishonest cunt in response to many people. You have a history of being dishonest and fallacious and repeating arguments to new people that have been repeatedly debunked by other people in the past. Your self righteous fake piety and imaginary humility is one of the MANY reasons you get mocked shit head.
You get mocked because you deserve to be mocked and because your superstitious nonsense is deserving of mockery and only mockery.

(20-08-2015 08:48 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Because I'll sit and write a 600-word post describing my position with care and patience to someone who hits me with a thoughtless one sentence, nasty post? Really?
No one cares how patiently or carefully you write your bullshit we care that you continue to regurgitate bullshit that has been demonstrated to you to be false over and over. You want less nasty responses than stop being so fucking dishonest. A good start would be to stop pretending as if you are not dishonest on this forum.

(20-08-2015 08:48 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  You couldn't possibly be this angry because I was excited to post a careful, thoughtful post on a logical fallacy, one that is a mere informal fallacy at that. I mean, could you?
If anyone is angry, which I doubt they are you are simply over estimating your impact on this forum again, it's because this very topic has been brought up before and has been debunked before and regurgitated by you before and you will likely do it again. People are annoyed because your condescending Dunning-Kruger ass tried to give us a lessen in Logical fallacies while demonstrating that YOU don't even understand why what you are doing IS the logical fallacy you are bitching about.

You are a deaf person trying to explain what music sounds like to musicians and all you accomplish is to show how fuckin' inept you are.


(20-08-2015 08:48 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Is that the "peace that passes understanding" that one gets from deconversion? I'd want no part of that.
Is your dishonesty and stupidity a result of your religion or is your religion a result of your dishonesty and stupidity. None of us want any part of either. If you want no part of it you know where the door is chucklefuck feel free to leave and stop wasting our time with your " I'm gonna go to a place where everyone knows and can show why I am wrong, repeat the same debunked arguments over and over and then play the victim when ever someone treats my childish ass like a child" bullshit.
Either fuck off from the place or stop cry baby whining about how your dumb ass is treated. No one forces you to be here. Pick one.

(20-08-2015 08:48 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  I implied that atheists have no right to the title and must choose either agnosticism or logical consistency regarding logical fallacies, could you?
And your fucking wrong again. Whats worse is that the relationship between Atheism, Theism, Gnosticism, and Agnosticism has been explained to you multiple times and I know this because I have fucking done it myself, and here you are ...again....pretending like it has not been explained to you you dishonest asshole. Proving everything I said above.....again.

(20-08-2015 08:48 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  ...But I forgive you.
You are the one in the wrong so take your condescending "forgiveness" and go fuck yourself.

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21-08-2015, 10:37 PM
RE: Misuse of the No True Scotsman Fallacy
Your monthly reminder: Q Cunt is Qunt. Ignore him. Push him down whenever you see him on the playground.

He also has no job, no visible means of support and has too much time on his hands.

But not enough smarts to make good use of it.

Q Cunt is Qunt!

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21-08-2015, 10:44 PM
RE: Misuse of the No True Scotsman Fallacy
(20-08-2015 08:40 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  The same goes for the mindless atheist slur on Pascal's wager--that because there are thousands of sects and gods that we may safely abrogate our need to select one, to discern one, to seek one, to find one. Not!
Pascal largely favored the Christian ''version,'' so...it's a moot point.

Quote:Depending on your answer to that question, we can then logically decide if everyone who says they are a Christian is one or whether everyone who follows (who imitates, who pursues, who obeys) Jesus Christ is a true Christian indeed.

That is the danger of religion. It tries to fit everyone into this cookie cutter format of how he/she should live his/her life...and it's all dependent on believing in various versions of nonsense. This is just your idea, but there are others. I don't think that you can apply NTS to religion/spirituality/faith beliefs, because religion/spirituality/faith beliefs are all subjective.

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22-08-2015, 03:17 AM
RE: Misuse of the No True Scotsman Fallacy
(20-08-2015 03:51 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  
(20-08-2015 11:15 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Very well. I appreciate your insight. True Scotsmen have Scottish citizenship. True Christians have heavenly citizenship.

Thanks.

So, Christians inhabit heaven? And you have proof of this?

Here is all the proof you should need.

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22-08-2015, 01:49 PM
RE: Misuse of the No True Scotsman Fallacy
Gator needs his ban hammer back you punk ass bitch!
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