Monsanto poisoning us with GMO!?
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21-03-2013, 08:38 PM
RE: Monsanto poisoning us with GMO!?
(21-03-2013 08:25 PM)Julius Wrote:  Great Post!

Also, I was amazed to hear that a Corporation actually tried to enforce a patent on the Human Genome.

God Damn...Corporations have no limits.
Agreed.

Seriously? Shocking

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21-03-2013, 08:54 PM (This post was last modified: 21-03-2013 09:07 PM by fstratzero.)
RE: Monsanto poisoning us with GMO!?
The agricultural giant Monsanto has sued hundreds of small farmers in the United States in recent years in attempts to protect its patent rights on genetically engineered seeds that it produces and sells, a new report said on Tuesday.

The study, produced jointly by the Center for Food Safety and the Save Our Seeds campaigning groups, has outlined what it says is a concerted effort by the multinational to dominate the seeds industry in the US and prevent farmers from replanting crops they have produced from Monsanto seeds.

In its report, called Seed Giants vs US Farmers, the CFS said it had tracked numerous law suits that Monsanto had brought against farmers and found some 142 patent infringement suits against 410 farmers and 56 small businesses in more than 27 states. In total the firm has won more than $23m from its targets, the report said.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/20...ed-patents

Basically if their plants/animals crossbreed with your plants/animals, you can be sued for patent infringement. However plants and animals in nature will intermingle and mix. So I don't understand how anybody can patent a gene for anything due to the nature of DNA.


As for killing people with their food. I'd have to say it makes as much sense as putting subliminal messages in your music to kill your fans.

It seems that they are dependent on the public to buy their products. It would be nonsense that they would willingly kill them.

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22-03-2013, 10:35 AM
RE: Monsanto poisoning us with GMO!?
(21-03-2013 08:25 PM)Julius Wrote:  God Damn...Corporations have no limits.
Corporations don't have guns and corporations don't tax people. In fact, corporations don't even exist outside the statist world.

It isn't Monsanto who will tax your food or come to your farm and throw you in jail. It isn't Monsanto who has caused diabetes to rise due to making sugar vastly more expensive than high fructose corn syrup. And it isn't Monsanto who has subsidized Monsanto and dumped the excess of food on third world countries, thereby destroying local farmers' businesses.

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22-03-2013, 10:45 AM
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Another way of thinking about it is that Monsanto is not purposely trying to "poison" anybody, but what they are trying to do is make a lot of money, and they are finding really clever ways to make money, even if the consequences are not so good for the farmers or the consumers.
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22-03-2013, 04:59 PM
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(22-03-2013 10:35 AM)bbeljefe Wrote:  
(21-03-2013 08:25 PM)Julius Wrote:  God Damn...Corporations have no limits.
Corporations don't have guns and corporations don't tax people. In fact, corporations don't even exist outside the statist world.
Corporations do have guns that they control by Proxy. Corporations are masters at suborning congress via the promise of Jobs and "Consulting Contracts" to congressmen, their aides and relatives. The "Hedge Funds" are a particularly insidious development where a congressman or aide can deposit a small sum of money and have it leveraged 10-1 and get steady payouts from a source of money that is virtually untraceable - but which is usually the result of a deposit by a corporate agent. But...who can tell because it's a "Hedge Fund" - a dark pool of money.

And it is effective. When the BP Blowout happened in the Gulf of Mexico, not only was BP (a Foreign Corporation) put in control of the situation, they also ordered the Coast Guard and Local Sheriff Departments around like they were indentured servants. And Big Corporations have the Gall to rail against Government Regulation! Big Corporations only get the Regulations they want.

Shit....Big Corporations LOVE Government Regulations! Government Regulations squeeze-out the Corporation's small and medium-sized competition while allowing them to pass the additional cost to the consumer.

And...Big Government Corporations LOVE the high corporate Taxes we have in this country. With their armies of Tax Lawyers and Accountants and the ability to offshore profits, these high Taxes make it impossible for small and medium-sized Corporations to thrive. Again, Big Corporations have used yet another Government weapon - Tax Law - to wipe out their smaller competition and passed the increased cost to the consumer. Oh yeah...and a lot of these Big Corporations like GE don't even Pay Taxes!

Congress - Taxes - Regulations: these are the tools that Big Corporations use to stifle competition and avoid taxes.
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22-03-2013, 08:35 PM
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(22-03-2013 04:59 PM)Julius Wrote:  Corporations are masters at suborning congress via the promise of Jobs
and "Consulting Contracts" to congressmen, their aides and relatives.
One cannot bribe a man of integrity.

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23-03-2013, 05:49 PM
RE: Monsanto poisoning us with GMO!?
(22-03-2013 08:35 PM)bbeljefe Wrote:  
(22-03-2013 04:59 PM)Julius Wrote:  Corporations are masters at suborning congress via the promise of Jobs
and "Consulting Contracts" to congressmen, their aides and relatives.
One cannot bribe a man of integrity.
True...you can't bribe a man of integrity - but those men don't get elected. So...what does it matter?

Instead, this country elects corporate patsys and crooks to office. They elect the type of vermin who claim that we can lower taxes and increase spending and still balance the budget. They elect the types of vermin who claim that sucking their dicks is not sex. They elect the types of vermin who claim torture is just "Enhanced Interrogation". They elect the types of vermin who say we must bomb millions of peasents in order to secure freedom. They elect vermin who tell us that Corporate Taxes are too high while the Biggest Corporations pay little or no tax. They elect vermin who wail about over-regulation of Corporations as they let a foreign corporation (BP) order the Coast Guard and Police about like serf after they have made the Gulf Of Mexico a toxic waste dump. And when they are doing all this, they salute the flag, quote a Bible verse and kiss a cross and shout, "Duty Honor, God, Family, Country, Capitalism". People just eat that shit up.
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23-03-2013, 06:10 PM
RE: Monsanto poisoning us with GMO!?
(23-03-2013 05:49 PM)Julius Wrote:  
(22-03-2013 08:35 PM)bbeljefe Wrote:  One cannot bribe a man of integrity.
True...you can't bribe a man of integrity - but those men don't get elected. So...what does it matter?
What it matters is that people like yourself rail against business when it isn't business that's the problem. As you clearly pointed out, those who call themselves government are as corrupt or more corrupt than anyone at Monsanto. So what does that matter?

That matters because Monsanto didn't make a promise to you, the voter. Nor did Monsanto swear an oath to uphold the constitution. Those who own Monsanto set out to make a living by growing and selling food, just as you can do if you like. That Monsanto has been able to create barriers to entry for its competition and that it has been able to secure monopoly privileges on seeds is not the fault of Monsanto. It is the fault of those who promised to look out for your best interest. Is Monsanto unethical? Sure. But Monsanto hasn't violated the terms of any contract. Monsanto hasn't agreed that it would be a good idea to go point guns at a small businessman if some bird happened to shit on his crop and change its characteristics.

If my wife decides to cheat on me with another man, it is not the other man who has betrayed me. Likewise, if Monsanto talks your government into bed with it, it's not Monsanto who has betrayed you.

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23-03-2013, 09:21 PM
RE: Monsanto poisoning us with GMO!?
Wow this one has wondered a bit. Two posts above hit on the real problems with GMO's at least the ones that are currently marketed, obviously long term human effects are not currently known but they should be a matter of concern.

The GMO's allow use of herbicides (pesticides) which has two detrimental effects. Increased incidents of these herbicides in the water and through mutation more herbicide resistant plants and thus greater use of, or perhaps more poisonous herbicides.

Two interesting asides:

Monsanto claimed for many years that glyphosate (Roundup) biodegraded in the soil readily so was no problem that way. That may be true for limited use away from waterways but in the amounts now being used it is not true and it is showing up in surface waters.

Recently California had a proposition 35 which would have required labeling of GMO foods. It was of course defeated by a well funded and untruthful opposition campaign. I kind of laughed when the election was over if all the tofu eaters knew that some 80% of the soy grown in the US is a GMO.
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