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22-03-2016, 08:41 AM
RE: Moral absolutes
(22-03-2016 08:39 AM)pablo Wrote:  
(22-03-2016 08:37 AM)jason_delisle Wrote:  She is not showing agape love for a newborn.

So there are exceptions to objective morality?
What do you mean?
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22-03-2016, 08:42 AM
RE: Moral absolutes
(22-03-2016 08:35 AM)jason_delisle Wrote:  
(22-03-2016 08:30 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  okay, well then expand it deeper to a crazed point of saying, is destroying all that exists in all possible universes and realities the limit. If you destroyed them all is that an objectively or absolutely bad thing. So is that it? ..I'm still not sure because that would be based on thinking life/existence is itself a good thing. That it is absolutely a positive or right thing to have. I don't think there is anything every mind could agree upon as a moral good arch.

Not to sound Nihilist, but I would argue that if the ultimate fate of the universe is to fade into blackness and the only thing we have to look forward to after death is nonexistence, why not?

To face the absurdity as long as possible until it comes. It's an amusing circumstance.

And that scenario involves acting in a manner that affects other folks, just not a moral objection but a why bother. I'll do me, some other folk can pull the level while I'm just off doing whatever and it makes no difference either way to me.

Also, on the other note I see very little objective about a mothers love for her child, even for a stranger's random child. It's still propagation of her genes/species in a subjective beneficial manner.

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22-03-2016, 08:46 AM
RE: Moral absolutes
(22-03-2016 08:41 AM)jason_delisle Wrote:  
(22-03-2016 08:39 AM)pablo Wrote:  So there are exceptions to objective morality?
What do you mean?

Objective morality from a creator should not be subject to exceptions.
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22-03-2016, 08:48 AM
RE: Moral absolutes
(22-03-2016 08:46 AM)pablo Wrote:  
(22-03-2016 08:41 AM)jason_delisle Wrote:  What do you mean?

Objective morality from a creator should not be subject to exceptions.
True, but your example of a teen mother tossing her newborn in a dumpster is not unconditional love. You are comparing apples to oranges.
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22-03-2016, 08:50 AM
RE: Moral absolutes
(22-03-2016 08:48 AM)jason_delisle Wrote:  
(22-03-2016 08:46 AM)pablo Wrote:  Objective morality from a creator should not be subject to exceptions.
True, but your example of a teen mother tossing her newborn in a dumpster is not unconditional love. You are comparing apples to oranges.

According to objective morality, a mother could not bring harm to her child.
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22-03-2016, 08:51 AM
RE: Moral absolutes
(22-03-2016 08:50 AM)pablo Wrote:  
(22-03-2016 08:48 AM)jason_delisle Wrote:  True, but your example of a teen mother tossing her newborn in a dumpster is not unconditional love. You are comparing apples to oranges.

According to objective morality, a mother could not bring harm to her child.
No. That is a strawman.
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22-03-2016, 08:59 AM
RE: Moral absolutes
(22-03-2016 08:51 AM)jason_delisle Wrote:  
(22-03-2016 08:50 AM)pablo Wrote:  According to objective morality, a mother could not bring harm to her child.
No. That is a strawman.

How so?
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22-03-2016, 09:06 AM
RE: Moral absolutes
(22-03-2016 08:59 AM)pablo Wrote:  
(22-03-2016 08:51 AM)jason_delisle Wrote:  No. That is a strawman.

How so?

I never in any way said that a mother could do no harm to her child.
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22-03-2016, 09:11 AM
RE: Moral absolutes
(22-03-2016 09:06 AM)jason_delisle Wrote:  
(22-03-2016 08:59 AM)pablo Wrote:  How so?

I never in any way said that a mother could do no harm to her child.

What he is getting at is if there is an objective standard, why is it ignored?

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22-03-2016, 09:15 AM
RE: Moral absolutes
(22-03-2016 09:11 AM)cjlr Wrote:  
(22-03-2016 09:06 AM)jason_delisle Wrote:  I never in any way said that a mother could do no harm to her child.

What he is getting at is if there is an objective standard, why is it ignored?
Does ignoring a standard change the fact that a standard exists?
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