Moral or Ethical Dilemma's, Q & A's
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23-04-2016, 12:50 PM
RE: Moral or Ethical Dilemma's, Q & A's
(23-04-2016 12:34 PM)DLJ Wrote:  
(23-04-2016 11:44 AM)unsapien Wrote:  ...
A pedestrian runs out into the path of the car, the car calculates that it can't brake in time to avoid hitting the pedestrian and severely injuring them . If the car tries to avoid colliding with him its only choice would be to swerve the car into a wall (or off a cliff or something) severely injuring the occupant of the car.
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Is the pedestrian a Catholic priest?

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23-04-2016, 01:40 PM (This post was last modified: 23-04-2016 01:51 PM by unsapien.)
RE: Moral or Ethical Dilemma's, Q & A's
(23-04-2016 12:48 PM)Heatheness Wrote:  
(23-04-2016 11:52 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  You program it to try to minimize the impact to the pedestrian, (who was an idiot for running out in front of the car) ... but the question amounts to "should the person causing the situation by carelessness be allowed to cause the death of the driver ?"
The answer is no.

I like and agree with your assessment but I also have to consider they might be a ignorant child rather than a stupid or careless adult. For me that would make a difference.

My feelings on this are mixed and very situational. I would be willing to sacrifice myself for a variety of people (children, pregnant woman, disabled... ) and yet I would not want my daughter or son to do so because I would be alive to suffer their loss. Tough one. No good answer here. Sad

The problem is it wouldn't be your choice as the occupant of the car. It would be the choice of you as the programmer at GM or Ford etc making the choice for millions of car owners...Unless you want to program it as a custom option when you by a car.

"Hello, I'd like to buy a red car with four doors, sunroof, and remote car starter ".

"Ok, and would you like to take the sacrifice myself in case of collision package or the keep me alive at all costs option "

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23-04-2016, 02:28 PM
RE: Moral or Ethical Dilemma's, Q & A's
(23-04-2016 01:40 PM)unsapien Wrote:  
(23-04-2016 12:48 PM)Heatheness Wrote:  I like and agree with your assessment but I also have to consider they might be a ignorant child rather than a stupid or careless adult. For me that would make a difference.

My feelings on this are mixed and very situational. I would be willing to sacrifice myself for a variety of people (children, pregnant woman, disabled... ) and yet I would not want my daughter or son to do so because I would be alive to suffer their loss. Tough one. No good answer here. Sad

The problem is it wouldn't be your choice as the occupant of the car. It would be the choice of you as the programmer at GM or Ford etc making the choice for millions of car owners...Unless you want to program it as a custom option when you by a car.

"Hello, I'd like to buy a red car with four doors, sunroof, and remote car starter ".

"Ok, and would you like to take the sacrifice myself in case of collision package or the keep me alive at all costs option "

It's the same problem as what I would do for others is also what I would do for myself. That's how I make moral assessments of behaviors. Treat others as you would have others treat you. I could not do that job as I could not make that choice for others. Not sure I could make it for myself. That's what I was getting at.

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23-04-2016, 03:17 PM
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(16-04-2016 08:51 AM)DLJ Wrote:  What is it with you Murikans and irony?

You asked us foreigners to think locally and then told us we'd dial 911.

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I'm sorry, What!!!??

"Foreigners" are classified as non Americans?

WTF, I consider Americans to be foreigners.
They consider me as an alien, like they think people outside America are so far away that we may as well be from a different planet!
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23-04-2016, 03:19 PM
RE: Moral or Ethical Dilemma's, Q & A's
(23-04-2016 11:44 AM)unsapien Wrote:  In the not too distant you are working as a programmer for software that will go into a new "self driving" car. You have to program how the car will respond in the following situation:

A pedestrian runs out into the path of the car, the car calculates that it can't brake in time to avoid hitting the pedestrian and severely injuring them . If the car tries to avoid colliding with him its only choice would be to swerve the car into a wall (or off a cliff or something) severely injuring the occupant of the car.

Do you program it to make the occupant of the car it's first or only responsibility, or do you program it to calculate (somehow) the outcome with the best chance of survival for both people. What is the car manufacturers ethical and/or legal obligation.

I would make the occupants the number 1 priority. If the choices are hit a pedestrian or drive off a cliff, I would sacrifice the pedestrian.
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23-04-2016, 03:27 PM
RE: Moral or Ethical Dilemma's, Q & A's
(23-04-2016 11:44 AM)unsapien Wrote:  In the not too distant you are working as a programmer for software that will go into a new "self driving" car. You have to program how the car will respond in the following situation:

A pedestrian runs out into the path of the car, the car calculates that it can't brake in time to avoid hitting the pedestrian and severely injuring them . If the car tries to avoid colliding with him its only choice would be to swerve the car into a wall (or off a cliff or something) severely injuring the occupant of the car.

Do you program it to make the occupant of the car it's first or only responsibility, or do you program it to calculate (somehow) the outcome with the best chance of survival for both people. What is the car manufacturers ethical and/or legal obligation.
The question is:
"Who is it that purchases the car?"

If I am to have a successful business then I ought to target the car for the purchaser.
If the purchaser is the person that rides in the car then if I make passenger safety a feature of the car I am sure I will increase demand, and hence increase profits.

If the government purchase the cars and hand them out to people then it might be a different story. In that case pedestrian safety might come into it.
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24-04-2016, 06:17 PM
RE: Moral or Ethical Dilemma's, Q & A's
(16-04-2016 07:42 AM)Heatheness Wrote:  There is a huge range of moral and/or ethical ideals in the world because people are varied and environmentally and socially influenced from many cultures. I thought it might be interesting to see that played out in a variety of Q & A's on moral or ethical events/scenarios/dilemma's and see where that takes us.

This thread is not designed to be judgmental, so lets keep it as a POV lesson. I like challenging my POV and since we have such a wide geographical and socioeconomically varied mix on TTA I thought this would be a good place to learn from cultures other than our own microcosms.

Hopefully the questions and answers will get more complex and thought provoking as we go along. Feel free to answer any question, post your own dilemma or both.

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You have witnessed a major natural disaster: As you were out driving and getting ready to cross the dam of a huge lake the earth starts to shake and you realize an earthquake is happening. After getting to safety, you call 911 to report cracks forming in the dam, then you grab your camera and start filming. You capture the moment when the dam fails and water floods the riverbed and parkland sweeping away people below the dam and foreseeably many others downstream. The footage is amazing, if nauseating, in it's destruction.

Eventually the news teams show up and suddenly you realize that your video is the only footage of this mega disaster and the news media wants it now.

Do you give it up for free because it's news or do you negotiate to the highest bidder? It will be one of history's major natural disaster films of all time, seen by billions of people and your name will forever be attached to it but if you give it up you will only be credited with the video, the news company will make all the money off of it. However; if you sell it, everyone will know you sold the news event of a lifetime (as well as the death of those victims) for cash.

Do you sell or donate? Why/why not?

So when I took Ethics they made us read Kant bla bla bla. I hated him.
I do like this dame though, ....
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25-04-2016, 05:07 PM
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Being new here I assume that someone else would have already said more or less the same thing, but I would sell it to the News Service, because they are gonna make money off it themselves.
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28-04-2016, 10:17 AM (This post was last modified: 28-04-2016 03:59 PM by unsapien.)
RE: Moral or Ethical Dilemma's, Q & A's
You are the President of the United States.

15 minutes ago the Pentagon got confirmed & accurate information through American intelligence services that ISIL has acquired a nuclear bomb through the Russian black market and have the ability to detonate it .

Intelligence knows it is in an ISIL held city in Syria, but they don't know the exact location within that city and are sure that it will soon (like in the next half hour) be on the move to their target which is also unknown (most likely a Turkish or Kurdish city). It is most likely to be detonated as soon as it gets to it's target.

The pentagon offers you these options:

1. They can have a "MOAB" bomb (the largest non-nuclear bomb in the US arsenal ) dropped on the city within 20 minutes, with an estimated 90% chance of taking out the nuke along with a high percentage of ISIL infrastructure and rebels and pretty much everything else in the city.

2. They can launch a massive surgical air strike within 20 minutes that will hit almost all locations within that city where intelligence thinks the bomb is likely to be, with an estimated 60% chance of taking out the bomb, but with far less civilian deaths.

3. Use all the spy satellite, drone technology, etc...to try and pin point the actual bomb location and take out only the bomb & bomb delivery vehicle. Which has the lowest chance of success (30%) but with virtually no chance of any civilian deaths.

4. You are the President you come up with your own choice, have you got a better idea? Are any of the other choices I gave unrealistic?

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28-04-2016, 12:22 PM
RE: Moral or Ethical Dilemma's, Q & A's
I'd take the first option with the highest chance of disabling the nuclear weapon's launch vehicle. I'd make the assumption there'd be less civilian deaths in that scenario versus the nuclear bomb ultimately landing at its destination. Plus the mother of all bombs is non-nuclear—producing no follow-on radiation sickness/death for future generations.

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