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05-01-2013, 07:04 PM
RE: Morality
(29-12-2012 12:42 PM)Austavion Wrote:  This questions has been plaguing me for a while: How do atheists determine and defend a moral framework, both personally and socially?

I would assume most atheists would point to evolution as the cause of morality as we know it, with the intent to expand and protect the species. This would also mean that actions or lifestyles that didn't promote this expansion could arguably be wrong with this philosophy (abortion, homosexuality, contraception, etc). One could say the earth is already overpopulated, but wouldn't that void the whole framework? If not, who gets to chose what is applicable and irrelevant?

If morality is something that is personally chosen (subjective from person to person), how could someone tell anyone they are doing wrong? If this was determined through a democratic process by country, how could one country have the authority to tell another country they are doing something wrong, let alone act on it?

Lastly, Sam Harris believes there may be moral truth that can be determined through neuroscience. But for one, that day isn't here and how do you determine right and wrong until then? And two, science is about measured, repeatable results. Simply measuring neuro chemicals or responses in a brain to determine some sort of well being or happiness would seem like an over simplification. You could fix all of the moral wrongs with a pill. Also, if the science showed undesirable results that disagreed with our personal opinions, we be ok submissing to them? His approach seems to require a philosophical start point or end point removed from empirical facts.
I didn't read through the other replies but I want to give my say.

I am an Atheist and I have a moral code. Consciousness is all we have, it is what gives us this experience we are all so familiar with, and without it there would be nothing. What is moral correlates directly with the well being of consciousness.

Evolution is exactly where this stems from, we see in nature that species in the same group are not likely to start killing each other, this activity would result in a net loss of reproduction and so those traits would not be passed down.

We know consciousness is all we have and there are different things that affect the conscious mind in different ways. Pain for example is a stimuli that the conscious mind does not enjoy, this should be obvious to everyone, so it is moral to cause no pain. There are circumstances in which pain will be inevitable, and in these cases we go with the path that results in the least amount of pain to the least amount of people.

It is not difficult to apply this understanding of morality to every situation, if you want me to give an example of how it applies to a different situation, give me a different situation.

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Morality - Austavion - 29-12-2012, 12:42 PM
RE: Morality - houseofcantor - 29-12-2012, 12:46 PM
RE: Morality - Austavion - 29-12-2012, 12:49 PM
RE: Morality - morondog - 29-12-2012, 12:57 PM
RE: Morality - namiloveyou - 01-01-2013, 06:17 PM
RE: Morality - morondog - 01-01-2013, 11:08 PM
RE: Morality - houseofcantor - 29-12-2012, 01:09 PM
RE: Morality - namiloveyou - 29-12-2012, 01:33 PM
RE: Morality - Free - 29-12-2012, 01:40 PM
RE: Morality - FSM_scot - 29-12-2012, 01:42 PM
RE: Morality - morondog - 29-12-2012, 01:47 PM
RE: Morality - cheapthrillseaker - 29-12-2012, 01:43 PM
RE: Morality - morondog - 29-12-2012, 01:46 PM
RE: Morality - FSM_scot - 29-12-2012, 02:00 PM
RE: Morality - Farlian - 01-01-2013, 07:03 PM
RE: Morality - namiloveyou - 01-01-2013, 08:10 PM
RE: Morality - DLJ - 01-01-2013, 08:44 PM
RE: Morality - namiloveyou - 04-01-2013, 10:36 AM
RE: Morality - DLJ - 04-01-2013, 11:34 AM
RE: Morality - Austavion - 02-01-2013, 12:35 AM
RE: Morality - namiloveyou - 04-01-2013, 10:41 AM
RE: Morality - FlyingPizzaMonster - 02-01-2013, 01:25 PM
RE: Morality - namiloveyou - 04-01-2013, 12:47 PM
RE: Morality - DLJ - 04-01-2013, 02:28 PM
RE: Morality - namiloveyou - 05-01-2013, 03:42 PM
RE: Morality - DLJ - 06-01-2013, 10:19 PM
Re: RE: Morality - ClydeLee - 04-01-2013, 02:32 PM
RE: Morality - namiloveyou - 05-01-2013, 06:58 PM
RE: Morality - Hobbitgirl - 05-01-2013, 06:49 PM
RE: Morality - namiloveyou - 05-01-2013, 06:59 PM
RE: Morality - Chas - 05-01-2013, 07:10 PM
RE: Morality - Adenosis - 05-01-2013 07:04 PM
RE: Morality - namiloveyou - 06-01-2013, 08:52 PM
RE: Morality - namiloveyou - 07-01-2013, 08:48 AM
RE: Morality - DLJ - 07-01-2013, 09:20 AM
RE: Morality - namiloveyou - 07-01-2013, 01:16 PM
RE: Morality - Logica Humano - 07-01-2013, 03:18 PM
RE: Morality - namiloveyou - 07-01-2013, 03:20 PM
RE: Morality - Logica Humano - 07-01-2013, 03:50 PM
RE: Morality - namiloveyou - 07-01-2013, 04:07 PM

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