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03-08-2013, 10:17 AM
RE: Morality
(03-08-2013 09:52 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Benefits Realisation
Risk Optimisation
Resource Optimisation.

These are synonyms or part of what make up those things I mentioned.

I'm more than willing to toss those 3 things out because they aren't really the core concept and i used those because I hadn't fallen on the word "relationship" yet which fits what I'm talking about much better.

Governments are about the optimizing relationships between it's members and itself and itself and other governments.
Morality is about optimization of relationships.
Does that work better for you?

The type of relationship we have with government is different than what we have with other humans, but so is the relationship we humans have with our very own cells. That does not mean that morality doesn't apply. It means that the way to optimize might be different.

Also Self Preservation and relational Optimization leads to things like things that are self destructive are not optimal and they self destroy so there is no reason to talk about them in terms of morality

In this way of thinking though... Morality is more hot and cold. They're relativistic terms, but they can be absolutely measured. Action A is more moral than action B. This makes Action A moral and action B immoral, but action C if more immoral than action B, B becomes moral relative to action C.
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03-08-2013, 10:25 AM
RE: Morality
(03-08-2013 10:17 AM)Durakken Wrote:  Governments are about the optimizing relationships between it's members and itself and itself and other governments.
Sometimes.

Sometimes government is just about a group of people who have obtained power and control and want to hold on to that power and control as much as they can.

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03-08-2013, 10:27 AM (This post was last modified: 03-08-2013 11:07 AM by DLJ.)
RE: Morality
(03-08-2013 10:17 AM)Durakken Wrote:  ...
Does that work better for you?
...

Not really.

Morality does not contribute to Governance.

In Governance, we talk about (group and individual) Ethics not Morality.

'Relationships' is a concern of Management not Governance.

But I'm just being picky 'cause I teach this stuff.

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03-08-2013, 10:28 AM
RE: Morality
I retract my objection. You weren't saying what I thought you were saying.

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03-08-2013, 10:31 AM
RE: Morality
(03-08-2013 10:28 AM)Chas Wrote:  I retract my objection. You weren't saying what I thought you were saying.

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03-08-2013, 10:35 AM
RE: Morality
(03-08-2013 10:25 AM)LostLocke Wrote:  
(03-08-2013 10:17 AM)Durakken Wrote:  Governments are about the optimizing relationships between it's members and itself and itself and other governments.
Sometimes.

Sometimes government is just about a group of people who have obtained power and control and want to hold on to that power and control as much as they can.


And how do they maintain power? Optimization of relationships.

If they do not optimize their relations with other governments or their own people then other governments will over take them or their people will remove them from power.
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03-08-2013, 10:41 AM
RE: Morality
(03-08-2013 10:31 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  
(03-08-2013 10:28 AM)Chas Wrote:  I retract my objection. You weren't saying what I thought you were saying.

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03-08-2013, 10:45 AM
RE: Morality
(03-08-2013 10:35 AM)Durakken Wrote:  
(03-08-2013 10:25 AM)LostLocke Wrote:  Sometimes.

Sometimes government is just about a group of people who have obtained power and control and want to hold on to that power and control as much as they can.


And how do they maintain power? Optimization of relationships.
Sometimes.
Sometimes it's through fear and intimidation.
IE "Do as we say or else."
That's not what I would consider an "optimized" relationship.

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03-08-2013, 10:47 AM
RE: Morality
Government is a means more than it is an end. Or maybe an end more than it is a means, depending on how you look at it.

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03-08-2013, 10:52 AM
RE: Morality
(03-08-2013 10:28 AM)Chas Wrote:  I retract my objection. You weren't saying what I thought you were saying.

You know what my objection is? Needs moar Gwynnies!

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