Morality and Atheism
Post Reply
 
Thread Rating:
  • 0 Votes - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
10-12-2013, 09:44 AM
RE: Morality and Atheism
(10-12-2013 04:09 AM)TarzanSmith Wrote:  
(10-12-2013 01:24 AM)Vosur Wrote:  
Allow me to cite my copy of "Mein Kampf" to further establish that Hitler was indeed a Christian.

"And so I believe to-day that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator. In standing guard against the Jew I am defending the handiwork of the Lord." (p. 46)

"The yoke of slavery is and always will remain the most unpleasant experience that mankind can endure. Do the Schwabing decadents look upon Germany's lot to-day as 'aesthetic'? Of course, one doesn't discuss such a question with the Jews, because they are the modern inventors of this cultural perfume. Their very existence is an incarnate denial of the beauty of God's image in His creation." (p. 107)

"What we have to fight for is the necessary security for the existence and increase of our race and people, the subsistence of its children and the maintenance of our racial stock unmixed, the freedom and independence of the Fatherland; so that our people may be enabled to fulfil [sic] the mission assigned to it by the Creator." (p. 125)

"It is just at those junctures when the idealistic attitude threatens to disappear that we notice a weakening of this force which is a necessary constituent in the founding and maintenance of the community and is thereby a necessary condition of civilization. As soon as the spirit of egotism begins to prevail among a people then the bonds of the social order break and man, by seeking his own personal happiness, veritably tumbles out of heaven and falls into hell." (p. 160)

"In short, the results of miscegenation are always the following:
(a) The level of the superior race becomes lowered;
(b) physical and mental degeneration sets in, thus leading slowly but steadily towards a progressive drying up of the vital sap.

The act which brings about such a development is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator. And as a sin this act will be avenged. Man's effort to build up something that contradicts the iron logic of Nature brings him into conflict with those principles to which he himself exclusively owes his own existence. By acting against the laws of Nature he prepares the way that leads to his ruin." (p. 162)

"How devoid of ideals and how ignoble is the whole contemporary system! The fact that the churches join in committing this sin against the image of God, even though they continue to emphasize the dignity of that image, is quite in keeping with their present activities. They talk about the Spirit, but they allow man, as the embodiment of the Spirit, to degenerate to the proletarian level. Then they look on with amazement when they realize how small is the influence of the Christian Faith in their own country and how depraved and ungodly is this riff-raff which is physically degenerate and therefore morally degenerate also. To balance this state of affairs they try to convert the Hottentots and the Zulus and the Kaffirs and to bestow on them the blessings of the Church. While our European people, God be praised and thanked, are left to become the victims of moral depravity, the pious missionary goes out to Central Africa and establishes missionary stations for negroes [sic]. Finally, sound and healthy - though primitive and backward - people will be transformed, under the name of our 'higher civilization', into a motley of lazy and brutalized mongrels." (p. 226)

"Look at the ravages from which our people are suffering daily as a result of being contaminated with Jewish blood. Bear in mind the fact that this poisonous contamination can be eliminated from the national body only after centuries, or perhaps never. Think further of how the process of racial decomposition is debasing and in some cases even destroying the fundamental Aryan qualities of our German people, so that our cultural creativeness as a nation is gradually becoming impotent and we are running the danger, at least in our great cities, of falling to the level where Southern Italy is to-day. This pestilential adulteration of the blood, of which hundreds of thousands of our people take no account, is being systematically practised [sic] by the Jew to-day. Systematically these negroid parasites in our national body corrupt our innocent fair-haired girls and thus destroy something which can no longer be replaced in this world. The two Christian denominations look on with indifference at the profanation and destruction of a noble and unique creature who was given to the world as a gift of God's grace. For the future of the world, however, it does not matter which of the two triumphs over the other, the Catholic or the Protestant. But it does matter whether Aryan humanity survives or perishes. And yet the two Christian denominations are not contending against the destroyer of the Aryan humanity but are trying to destroy one another. Everybody who has the right kind of feeling for his country is solemnly bound, each within his own denomination, to see to it that he is not constantly talking about the Will of God merely from the lips but that in actual fact he fulfils [sic] the Will of God and does not allow God's handiwork to be debased. For it was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties. Whoever destroy His work wages war against God's Creation and God's will." (p. 310)
Yes, I had to do this before.

I am still unconvinced. However, I don't want this to turn into a "Was Hitler Christian Thread", so let's just agree to disagree.

So, you are going to make an assertion, and then blow off, out of hand, evidence that casts doubt on that assertion?

Would you prefer me to call you "PJ", or "BJ", from here on out?

It's Special Pleadings all the way down!


Magic Talking Snakes STFU -- revenantx77


You can't have your special pleading and eat it too. -- WillHop
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
10-12-2013, 09:45 AM
RE: Morality and Atheism
(10-12-2013 03:40 AM)TarzanSmith Wrote:  I am not arguing whether atheists can be moral or not,. Of course they can, it's idiotic to think otherwise. But I just feel the question would not have felt so cut and dry during the turn of the century.

Can you spot the cognitive problem in this sentence?

It's Special Pleadings all the way down!


Magic Talking Snakes STFU -- revenantx77


You can't have your special pleading and eat it too. -- WillHop
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
10-12-2013, 10:24 AM
RE: Morality and Atheism
I find it kinda sad when people just site Wikipedia all the time. Sure its convenient but as taq explained that these "researchers" are just ordinary folk with little to no research experience. I just use wiki for frivolous pursuits like reading more about games or cartoons and other entertainment stuff. Also Information about things that aren't readily available or seldemly written about.
I like the idea of Wikipedia but it just ain't reliable enough to be your only source. Books are your salvation Angel

"I don't have to have faith, I have experience." Joseph Campbell
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
10-12-2013, 10:55 AM
RE: Morality and Atheism
(10-12-2013 10:24 AM)grizzlysnake Wrote:  I find it kinda sad when people just site Wikipedia all the time. Sure its convenient but as taq explained that these "researchers" are just ordinary folk with little to no research experience. I just use wiki for frivolous pursuits like reading more about games or cartoons and other entertainment stuff. Also Information about things that aren't readily available or seldemly written about.
I like the idea of Wikipedia but it just ain't reliable enough to be your only source. Books are your salvation Angel

WIKI can[/i] be (but often isn't, because one can become ensnared by mis/disinformation) a good starting point for someone who doesn't have ANY information, but anything one sees there HAS to be fact-checked.


Here's better info about the Buddha/Hindu question:

http://wisdomquarterly.blogspot.com/2011...wrong.html



Quotes from the two sources on the cited page:

"The Buddha was not a Hindu. Sri Shankara (788 CE-820 CE) systematized and founded what the British later dubbed "Hinduism" (the disparate and incomprehensibly diverse practices and views from the Indus River Valley). Shankara organized the commonalities and developed sets of beliefs we would now recognize as "Hindu." But he was very antagonistic towards Buddhism. He reduced the Buddha to a avatar -- an incarnation of the God Vishnu."






"(1) The Buddha was not “born a Hindu” because Hinduism in its present form had not emerged at the time of his birth; (2) before the time of the Buddha the religion of India was Vedic Brahmanism, but alongside the Vedic tradition there was an ascetic (Śramana) stream of religious thought and practice having its origin in prehistoric times; (3) it is to this Śramanic culture that Buddhism has its closest affinity; (4) Hinduism grew out of a fusion of Vedic Brahmanism with Buddhism and other Śramanic religious trends; (5) although Buddhism acknowledges an affinity with the Śramanic cults, it is nevertheless a unique product of the Buddha’s direct insight."


It's Special Pleadings all the way down!


Magic Talking Snakes STFU -- revenantx77


You can't have your special pleading and eat it too. -- WillHop
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes Taqiyya Mockingbird's post
Post Reply
Forum Jump: