Morality vs. Legalism
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05-08-2015, 02:32 PM
RE: Morality vs. Legalism
(05-08-2015 09:14 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(05-08-2015 08:41 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  I looked through about 20 or so post of yours, and found nothing that laid out your criteria for what constitutes as moral as opposed to amoral.

We've gone round and round on this before with you plugging your ears.

Give me one good reason to waste any more time on your ignorance? Consider

Well, I do remember you claiming that morality is about behavior, that values, and etc.. break down to behavior as well. So I don't think you would need to repeat this.

But I don't think it's ever been made clear what distinguishes an act that's moral from ones that amoral. It seems to be because one is based on moral reasons, while the other is not. But what defines a moral reason, as opposed to a amoral one?

I'm not even really trying to argue with you here. I'm just curious about how you define these distinctions.
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05-08-2015, 03:08 PM
RE: Morality vs. Legalism
(05-08-2015 02:32 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  I'm not even really trying to argue with you here. I'm just curious about how you define these distinctions.
I tried to go down this path but noone wanted to define morality. They like it to be unspoken, something for them to decide at the time based on their "opinion".

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05-08-2015, 03:26 PM
Morality vs. Legalism
(05-08-2015 02:32 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(05-08-2015 09:14 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  We've gone round and round on this before with you plugging your ears.

Give me one good reason to waste any more time on your ignorance? Consider

Well, I do remember you claiming that morality is about behavior, that values, and etc.. break down to behavior as well. So I don't think you would need to repeat this.

But I don't think it's ever been made clear what distinguishes an act that's moral from ones that amoral. It seems to be because one is based on moral reasons, while the other is not. But what defines a moral reason, as opposed to a amoral one?

I'm not even really trying to argue with you here. I'm just curious about how you define these distinctions.

So, about that reason to actually reply to you? You've not provided it. Drinking Beverage

And I've already indicated (in this thread in the reply to the OP) what amoral is.

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05-08-2015, 10:11 PM
RE: Morality vs. Legalism
(05-08-2015 03:08 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(05-08-2015 02:32 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  I'm not even really trying to argue with you here. I'm just curious about how you define these distinctions.
I tried to go down this path but noone wanted to define morality. They like it to be unspoken, something for them to decide at the time based on their "opinion".

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Good definition. Basically what I said a few posts back but more detailed. I like it.

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05-08-2015, 11:58 PM
RE: Morality vs. Legalism
(05-08-2015 10:11 PM)TarzanSmith Wrote:  
(05-08-2015 03:08 PM)Stevil Wrote:  I tried to go down this path but noone wanted to define morality. They like it to be unspoken, something for them to decide at the time based on their "opinion".

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Good definition. Basically what I said a few posts back but more detailed. I like it.
Thanks. I put some time and thought into it.
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06-08-2015, 01:38 AM
RE: Morality vs. Legalism
(04-08-2015 09:45 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Moral absolutes come from the moral lawgiver.

Which one?

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06-08-2015, 01:46 AM
RE: Morality vs. Legalism
(05-08-2015 06:14 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(02-08-2015 08:25 PM)666wannabe Wrote:  This can be contrasted with "morality" which, at least according to science, is the result of our evolution.

When you attribute evolution here, what aspects are you claiming were selected for? Does it just break down to a feel good sensation when we help others, etc..? When you attribute it to evolution, I assume you're referring to some aspect of my biological makeup, but it's never particularly clear to me what aspect that is.

We have evolved as "social" beings. This means that we have developed instincts that tell us that our survival (and our happiness) depends upon other people and that the way to get other people to accept us is to be moral (ethical) toward them.

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06-08-2015, 01:49 AM
RE: Morality vs. Legalism
(05-08-2015 08:08 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Legalism is amoralism and makes one amoral if all they are doing is what they are told.

Theists could learn a lot if they'd realize that. Thumbsup

That's why I insist that morality, based on secularism and humanism, is far more moral than the legalism practiced by religions.

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06-08-2015, 01:53 AM
RE: Morality vs. Legalism
(05-08-2015 08:25 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(05-08-2015 08:08 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Legalism is amoralism and makes one amoral if all they are doing is what they are told.

Theists could learn a lot if they'd realize that. Thumbsup

It would probably help, if you understood that there are a variety of different moral views where this wouldn't be the case. If one subscribes to a deontological view then it very much could be moral.

If a person subscribed to some form of consequentialism, then it wouldn't matter why they did what they did, but rather the consequences of his actions.

Perhaps what you need to realize is that there are a variety of different perspectives on what makes something moral or immoral, or even amoral, beside your own undisclosed criteria.

Speaking of which, I'd be curious to hear you expand on what distinguishes what's moral and immoral in two actions that are similar in form?

What's the criteria for moral reasons? As opposed to amoral reasons? Helping an old lady across the street because it gives me a warm fuzzy feeling, count as an amoral or moral reason?

Trying to base morality on some philosophic system is only legalism disguised as morality--What is the philosophic dogma that I must adhere to?

True morality has its ground in the human psychosocial experience--not in the doctrines of philosophy.

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06-08-2015, 02:08 AM
RE: Morality vs. Legalism
(03-08-2015 01:27 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(03-08-2015 06:10 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  Why not be more explicit here? You have a problem when people push laws for any other reason than for the sake of survival. Wouldn't that be more accurate?
We've had this discussion in a couple of other threads. Do we need to do it again here?

Evidently, the horse is not dead yet.

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