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17-11-2014, 03:05 PM
RE: Morals, Christianity, Atheism
I think by "thread" he means "forum".

I've made that mistake before elsewhere. Blush

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17-11-2014, 03:25 PM
RE: Morals, Christianity, Atheism
(17-11-2014 01:57 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  I would debate that proposition but would mention that the Bible nowhere commands any person to be moral or ethical, but rather, to be holy or righteous, which is different.

That sounds very Catholic. Screw morals, just praise Jesus, and all will be forgiven.

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17-11-2014, 03:30 PM (This post was last modified: 17-11-2014 03:37 PM by Deidre32.)
RE: Morals, Christianity, Atheism
(17-11-2014 01:57 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  It's been claimed recently by some on this thread that atheists may be as moral as Christians or anyone else. I would debate that proposition but would mention that the Bible nowhere commands any person to be moral or ethical, but rather, to be holy or righteous, which is different.

Your comments?

Ah, yes...because oppressing women and homosexuals, advocating outright bigotry, and condoning slavery as can be seen in the Bible...is so ''holy'' and ''moral.''

Enlighten me as to how atheists can possibly live up to this high standard of ''holy'' conduct.

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17-11-2014, 03:33 PM
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Quote:Isaiah 64:6 For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; And all of us wither like a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.

You can't be righteous, even according to your book of myth.

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17-11-2014, 04:08 PM
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(17-11-2014 01:57 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  It's been claimed recently by some on this thread that atheists may be as moral as Christians or anyone else. I would debate that proposition but would mention that the Bible nowhere commands any person to be moral or ethical, but rather, to be holy or righteous, which is different.

Your comments?

Damn straight it is different! You can stray pretty far away from what us humans would call moral by obeying any "righteous" or "holy" requirements listed in any religious texts - whether they are 2000 or 200 years old. On the same page there bro! Next revelation?

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17-11-2014, 04:19 PM
RE: Morals, Christianity, Atheism
(17-11-2014 01:57 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  It's been claimed recently by some on this thread that atheists may be as moral as Christians or anyone else. I would debate that proposition but would mention that the Bible nowhere commands any person to be moral or ethical, but rather, to be holy or righteous, which is different.

Your comments?

When the bible is chalk full of literal commandments on actions involving morality.. it's telling you to follow this moral code we are laying out. Thou Shalt not murder, etc.

The point is there is no distinction that people obeying this actions would be more moral based on peoples modern views of moral questions. And the big kicking reasoning is, some religious people act moral in order to gain the afterlife benefits, while many areligious only see benefit in humanities future in some moral actions... it's not based on personal gain in the same way.

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17-11-2014, 05:07 PM
RE: Morals, Christianity, Atheism
If you need to be threatened with eternal suffering in order to live a moral life then you sir are a shitty human being.

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17-11-2014, 05:20 PM
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(17-11-2014 05:07 PM)SunnyD1 Wrote:  If you need to be threatened with eternal suffering in order to live a moral life then you sir are a shitty human being.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^this!

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17-11-2014, 05:38 PM
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(17-11-2014 03:25 PM)Impulse Wrote:  That sounds very Catholic. Screw morals, just praise Jesus, and all will be forgiven.

Yeah, been there, done that, and I'm not going back. Drinking Beverage

Technically, Catholics believe in faith *and* works. Faith alone is for Protestants. Tongue

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17-11-2014, 06:32 PM
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(17-11-2014 01:57 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  It's been claimed recently by some on this thread that atheists may be as moral as Christians or anyone else. I would debate that proposition but would mention that the Bible nowhere commands any person to be moral or ethical, but rather, to be holy or righteous, which is different.

Your comments?

It is funny to see this here as I was told today that I am a true man of god. This is the 4th time this year that I have been told this. Now, I obviously take it as a compliment because I think people misconstrue god with good and think they are interchangeable, but I just take it as "You're a good person" and I like that I can help others.

In the back of my mind, I can't help but laugh though, as I think about how if there were hell, I'd be burning in it for sure. Apparently their goddar is off a bit.

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