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14-04-2015, 01:06 PM
RE: "More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
(14-04-2015 01:03 PM)WeAreTheCosmos Wrote:  Did you know:

A person who has at least one firearm is more likely to shoot someone than a person who doesn't own a gun.

An animal with a mouth is more likely to bite, than an animal without a mouth.

No no, you have it all wrong. Statistics and lies and such. Drinking Beverage

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14-04-2015, 01:06 PM
RE: "More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
(14-04-2015 12:51 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(14-04-2015 12:50 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Sure. And?

Who here is endorsing that?

I didn't say anyone necessarily was. I and Lotsy are pointing out that there are legal ways around it. Like a very simple trip across an arbitrary state line.

And you would be breaking federal laws. You can't buy a handgun legally except in your own state.

I can't go to Vermont (no license required) and buy a handgun.
A MA resident also can't legally buy a long gun there without a MA firearms license.

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14-04-2015, 01:08 PM
RE: "More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
(14-04-2015 01:06 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(14-04-2015 01:03 PM)WeAreTheCosmos Wrote:  Did you know:

A person who has at least one firearm is more likely to shoot someone than a person who doesn't own a gun.

An animal with a mouth is more likely to bite, than an animal without a mouth.

No no, you have it all wrong. Statistics and lies and such. Drinking Beverage

No one sane is saying anything is risk-free, dude.

The public debate is over what level of risk is acceptable. Because literally everything is associated with some commensurate risk.

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14-04-2015, 01:08 PM
RE: "More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
(14-04-2015 01:06 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(14-04-2015 12:51 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  I didn't say anyone necessarily was. I and Lotsy are pointing out that there are legal ways around it. Like a very simple trip across an arbitrary state line.

And you would be breaking federal laws. You can't buy a handgun legally except in your own state.

I can't go to Vermont (no license required) and buy a handgun.
A MA resident also can't legally buy a long gun there without a MA firearms license.

Yes, and that point is moot when there is no way to track these particular firearms purchases.

As I said, this is one way in which legally purchased guns, find themselves as illegally owned guns. 50 state solution to a problem that needs only 1 solution.

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14-04-2015, 01:08 PM
RE: "More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
(14-04-2015 12:53 PM)Losty Wrote:  
(14-04-2015 12:50 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Sure. And?

Who here is endorsing that?

No one is endorsing it, silly. Some people are just pretending like it isn't true.

The scenarios you have presented are all illegal purchases.

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14-04-2015, 01:09 PM
RE: "More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
(14-04-2015 01:08 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(14-04-2015 01:06 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  No no, you have it all wrong. Statistics and lies and such. Drinking Beverage

No one sane is saying anything is risk-free, dude.

The public debate is over what level of risk is acceptable. Because literally everything is associated with some commensurate risk.

You read way too much into my sarcastic post.

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14-04-2015, 01:09 PM
RE: "More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
(14-04-2015 01:08 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(14-04-2015 12:53 PM)Losty Wrote:  No one is endorsing it, silly. Some people are just pretending like it isn't true.

The scenarios you have presented are all illegal purchases.

Illegal purchases that can't be tracked because they were legally sold.

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14-04-2015, 01:10 PM
RE: "More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
(14-04-2015 01:09 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(14-04-2015 01:08 PM)cjlr Wrote:  No one sane is saying anything is risk-free, dude.

The public debate is over what level of risk is acceptable. Because literally everything is associated with some commensurate risk.

You read way too much into my sarcastic post.

Meh. The point's still valid.

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14-04-2015, 01:11 PM
RE: "More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
(14-04-2015 12:56 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(14-04-2015 12:55 PM)Chas Wrote:  I'd call it intentional, therefore not a loophole.

The NICS checks are a recent thing and are mandated federally and apply to federally licensed dealers.

So, if someone intentionally takes advantage of a workaround, you disqualify it as a loophole?

In your mind, it is only a loophole if it is accidentally used?

A loophole is an unintended consequence of the law or rule.
Private sales were intentionally not subjected to a NICS check.

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14-04-2015, 01:12 PM
RE: "More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
(14-04-2015 01:10 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(14-04-2015 01:09 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  You read way too much into my sarcastic post.

Meh. The point's still valid.

Never claimed that it wasn't or that there was ever going to be a risk-free solution. So it is a valid point raised to nothing being said. It is kind of like a fart hovering in an empty room....

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