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14-04-2015, 01:27 PM
RE: "More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
(14-04-2015 01:25 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(14-04-2015 01:23 PM)Chas Wrote:  The sale was illegal. Why do you keep ignoring that?

In all 50 states, that sale is made by the seller knowing it was illegal?

You keep ignoring that these are easy laws to bypass when they are so heterogenous. Either you don't get what is being presented to you, or you are intentionally ignoring the points raised in these scenarios.

Perhaps it would also help if you stopped confusing "illegal" with "easy to bypass".

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14-04-2015, 01:27 PM
RE: "More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
(14-04-2015 01:25 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(14-04-2015 01:23 PM)Chas Wrote:  The sale was illegal. Why do you keep ignoring that?

In all 50 states, that sale is made by the seller knowing it was illegal?

You keep ignoring that these are easy laws to bypass when they are so heterogenous. Either you don't get what is being presented to you, or you are intentionally ignoring the points raised in these scenarios.

No, I am pointing out your erroneous statement. I have ignored nothing.

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14-04-2015, 01:28 PM
RE: "More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
(14-04-2015 01:25 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(14-04-2015 01:23 PM)Chas Wrote:  The sale was illegal. Why do you keep ignoring that?

In all 50 states, that sale is made by the seller knowing it was illegal?

You keep ignoring that these are easy laws to bypass when they are so heterogenous. Either you don't get what is being presented to you, or you are intentionally ignoring the points raised in these scenarios.

The onus is on the seller to know that it is legal. If the seller does not know that, he is taking a big risk.

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14-04-2015, 01:31 PM
RE: "More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
(14-04-2015 01:28 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(14-04-2015 01:25 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  In all 50 states, that sale is made by the seller knowing it was illegal?

You keep ignoring that these are easy laws to bypass when they are so heterogenous. Either you don't get what is being presented to you, or you are intentionally ignoring the points raised in these scenarios.

The onus is on the seller to know that it is legal. If the seller does not know that, he is taking a big risk.

Okay, so you are ignoring that these laws are easy to bypass (which could make a sell or a purchase illegal) thanks to the fact that we have 50 different states with 50 different sets of laws. thanks Thumbsup

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14-04-2015, 01:33 PM
RE: "More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
(14-04-2015 01:31 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(14-04-2015 01:28 PM)Chas Wrote:  The onus is on the seller to know that it is legal. If the seller does not know that, he is taking a big risk.

Okay, so you are ignoring that these laws are easy to bypass (which could make a sell or a purchase illegal) thanks to the fact that we have 50 different states with 50 different sets of laws. thanks Thumbsup

As it happens, any given act is either legal or illegal.

How easy it is to enforce that status is not, in fact, the same thing.

You do get that, right?

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14-04-2015, 01:34 PM
RE: "More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
(14-04-2015 01:33 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(14-04-2015 01:31 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Okay, so you are ignoring that these laws are easy to bypass (which could make a sell or a purchase illegal) thanks to the fact that we have 50 different states with 50 different sets of laws. thanks Thumbsup

As it happens, any given act is either legal or illegal.

How easy it is to enforce that status is not, in fact, the same thing.

You do get that, right?

Indeed, and these types of illegal purchases and sales are essentially impossible to enforce given the fact that we have differences in laws thanks to arbitrary state borders.

You do get that, right?

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14-04-2015, 01:35 PM
RE: "More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
It is essentially that people can bypass or use some sort of workaround in order to still get their hands on a gun. Like some sort of...loophole....

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14-04-2015, 01:35 PM
RE: "More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
(14-04-2015 01:34 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(14-04-2015 01:33 PM)cjlr Wrote:  As it happens, any given act is either legal or illegal.

How easy it is to enforce that status is not, in fact, the same thing.

You do get that, right?

Indeed, and these types of illegal purchases and sales are essentially impossible to enforce given the fact that we have differences in laws thanks to arbitrary state borders.

You do get that, right?

Yes. Could you show me where anyone said otherwise?

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14-04-2015, 01:36 PM
RE: "More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
And this still ignores the fact that it isn't only illegal gun purchases that are a problem, but people purchasing guns who do not know how to responsibly use them and/or people who are not mentally competent or stable enough to own or use a firearm.

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14-04-2015, 01:37 PM
RE: "More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
(14-04-2015 01:35 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(14-04-2015 01:34 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Indeed, and these types of illegal purchases and sales are essentially impossible to enforce given the fact that we have differences in laws thanks to arbitrary state borders.

You do get that, right?

Yes. Could you show me where anyone said otherwise?

Show you were someone said what?

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