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13-04-2015, 05:01 PM
RE: "More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
(13-04-2015 04:59 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(13-04-2015 04:58 PM)Drunkin Druid Wrote:  Some of us like the tast of wild meat.
Some of us like to stay somewhat connected to our heritage.
Some of us like the adventure (yes sport).
And as a child it was actually a matter of survival..

Wild meat is tastier, but it is not necessary for survival. As for sport, I don't disagree with sporting, but do think it isn't that sporting to use guns to do it. (As you mention, bows take more skill)

There's more to hunting than just shooting an animal..
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13-04-2015, 05:03 PM
"More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
(13-04-2015 05:01 PM)Drunkin Druid Wrote:  
(13-04-2015 04:59 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Wild meat is tastier, but it is not necessary for survival. As for sport, I don't disagree with sporting, but do think it isn't that sporting to use guns to do it. (As you mention, bows take more skill)

There's more to hunting than just shooting an animal..

Sure, the patience of the stalk and the skill of tracking. But the kill itself should be sporting too.

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13-04-2015, 05:03 PM
RE: "More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
(13-04-2015 04:51 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(13-04-2015 04:49 PM)Chas Wrote:  No, it isn't, regardless of how many times you repeat it.

And hunting. There, that covers it. Unless you've another point, I'll assume you're a broken record today chas.

Protection. I live in the country, out of sight of any neighbors or the street.
I am also outside quite a lot - there are dangerous critters.

I've already had to shoot a rabid raccoon and drive off coyotes.

Don't bother with the statistics about having a gun makes it more likely ...

Statistics apply to populations, not to individuals.

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13-04-2015, 05:04 PM
"More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
I just don't like trophy hunting. It's unnecessary to just take life for no reason other than because you want to. If the point is the stalk and the tracking, I'd prefer people use a camera.

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13-04-2015, 05:05 PM
"More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
(13-04-2015 05:03 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(13-04-2015 04:51 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  And hunting. There, that covers it. Unless you've another point, I'll assume you're a broken record today chas.

Protection. I live in the country, out of sight of any neighbors or the street.
I am also outside quite a lot - there are dangerous critters.

I've already had to shoot a rabid raccoon and drive off coyotes.

Don't bother with the statistics about having a gun makes it more likely ...

Statistics apply to populations, not to individuals.

Statistics demonstrate trends of populations composed of individuals. You can ignore the statistics to argue that it makes you safer, there is no support for it other than your anecdotal evidence.

There are other means of protecting against raccoons and coyotes. Like traps and poison.

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13-04-2015, 05:06 PM
RE: "More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
(13-04-2015 05:03 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(13-04-2015 05:01 PM)Drunkin Druid Wrote:  There's more to hunting than just shooting an animal..

Sure, the patience of the stalk and the skill of tracking. But the kill itself should be sporting too.

Why? The point is to kill humanely.

And meat.

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13-04-2015, 05:06 PM
"More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
I've no problem with responsible gun owners who are well-trained and cognizant of there surroundings and the dangers of owning a gun. You know this, chas.

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13-04-2015, 05:07 PM
RE: "More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
(13-04-2015 05:01 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(13-04-2015 04:59 PM)WeAreTheCosmos Wrote:  I've gotta say though... If I had to choose one tool at my disposal for a life or death situation involving another human being, it would probably be my simple, inexpensive, Savage 212. It's a slug gun, but I keep some shot just in case... Makes a massive cant-miss spread. If I manage to clip one of my asshole cats in the process, that's a bonus.

I'd pick a utility knife. Or crossbow, like Darryl.

I do like the idea of a crossbow... Even a compound would be nice. The recurve is classic, but it lacks the readiness of the cross bow, and the power of the compound. I've never been hunting with my bow, but it's always fun, and pretty much the only thing I can use behind my house.
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13-04-2015, 05:08 PM
"More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
(13-04-2015 05:06 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(13-04-2015 05:03 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Sure, the patience of the stalk and the skill of tracking. But the kill itself should be sporting too.

Why? The point is to kill humanely.

And meat.

At some point we will have to acknowledge that there are no humane deaths, only less ethically reprehensible means.

Death is so final, I'd not wish that on any living thing if it can be helped. Having said that, I'm no vegetarian. I'd love it if we get synthetic meat to take off though.

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13-04-2015, 05:10 PM
RE: "More Guns means Safer" the nonsensical pro-NRA argument
(13-04-2015 04:53 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Also, not the point of this thread at all. I believe Mr. Jeffries is correct, and don't care if you disagree with that particular opinion, chas.

Well, then, both of you are full of shit.

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