More KC Q&A. The Non Chosen?
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15-02-2012, 08:04 AM
 
RE: More KC Q&A. The Non Chosen?
(14-02-2012 04:00 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  As in a finite amount? Yes.

So do you have a magic number of that amount?

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15-02-2012, 09:14 AM
RE: More KC Q&A. The Non Chosen?
(15-02-2012 08:04 AM)Denicio Wrote:  
(14-02-2012 04:00 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  As in a finite amount? Yes.

So do you have a magic number of that amount?

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Are you trying to get him to say 144,000? Big Grin

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15-02-2012, 09:18 AM
 
RE: More KC Q&A. The Non Chosen?
(15-02-2012 09:14 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  
(15-02-2012 08:04 AM)Denicio Wrote:  
(14-02-2012 04:00 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  As in a finite amount? Yes.

So do you have a magic number of that amount?

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Are you trying to get him to say 144,000? Big Grin

Actually NO! He's a brand of Christian I've not really encountered before and want to see if he's got his own Jesus-Algebra. Its not to mock, i assure you. He's peaked my curiosity.

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15-02-2012, 09:25 AM
RE: More KC Q&A. The Non Chosen?
(15-02-2012 09:18 AM)Denicio Wrote:  
(15-02-2012 09:14 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  
(15-02-2012 08:04 AM)Denicio Wrote:  
(14-02-2012 04:00 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  As in a finite amount? Yes.

So do you have a magic number of that amount?

D

Are you trying to get him to say 144,000? Big Grin

Actually NO! He's a brand of Christian I've not really encountered before and want to see if he's got his own Jesus-Algebra. Its not to mock, i assure you. He's peaked my curiosity.

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I would imagine the number would have to be unknown to those as simple as us. You can't even calculate it based on the number of known church-goers since apparently many of those are "faking" their Christianity like you and I did. I wonder how many surprises there will be. Didn't Charlie Manson think he was Jesus? Since he didn't have a choice in the matter, maybe God will save him since Charlie is God's son, but even though I was a Jesus lover for most of my life, I'll be tortured without end.

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15-02-2012, 09:26 AM
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(14-02-2012 06:32 PM)Hughsie Wrote:  And I'm guessing this choice is based on God's omniscience? He already knows who is going to behave in a way worth of a place in heaven and predestines them for it, it's not just a random selection?

No. Because that is still basing a decision on a human action. God's choice is not affected by anything a human did, can do, or could do. His choice of whom the elect are rests completely on His decisions.

I do not know the "how" of how He picks the elect.

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15-02-2012, 09:27 AM
 
RE: More KC Q&A. The Non Chosen?
(15-02-2012 09:26 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  I do not know the "how" of how He picks the elect.

Then how do you KNOW there is a finite number?

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15-02-2012, 09:28 AM
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(15-02-2012 09:27 AM)Denicio Wrote:  
(15-02-2012 09:26 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  I do not know the "how" of how He picks the elect.

Then how do you KNOW there is a finite number?

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Because not everyone can be saved. It is written that you shall fry forever in the lake of fire prepared for Satan and his minions.

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15-02-2012, 09:30 AM (This post was last modified: 15-02-2012 09:33 AM by kingschosen.)
RE: More KC Q&A. The Non Chosen?
(14-02-2012 09:01 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  Yeah, I was faking it for all the money and chicks. Pff. What a load of malarkey. The only reason YOU think you're elect is because you're simply putting up a facade for whatever reason, whether it was because of family or other social stimuli. I was one of those #1 on Dawkins' scale. I knew God personally...and I'm bold enough to say, just as much and probably more than you do. But as time went on, I realized it was all just wishful thinking and a strong ability to compartmentalize reason.

You were faking it for whatever reason. I think we can both agree on this statement: your Christianity wasn't real. If it was real, you would not be where are you today.

You could not know God personally... yet something else we can both agree on... but for different reasons. You thought you knew, but you really didn't... which means it was a facade.
(14-02-2012 11:31 PM)Azaraith Wrote:  Even while they were fully convinced, believed wholeheartedly, prayed earnestly, everything? All a facade, unbeknownst to them? Subconscious facade?

Yes. Well, until they realize it was a facade (Erxomai).


(15-02-2012 04:00 AM)Malleus Wrote:  Go back to the question. The facade explanation doesn't fly with Exormai and it doesn't fly with me. Try again.

So, you're saying it was real? Try again.

Read what I said a few posts up to Erxomai.
(15-02-2012 06:18 AM)FSM_scot Wrote:  Also KC, do you truely believe you are one of the elect?

Yes.

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15-02-2012, 09:34 AM
RE: More KC Q&A. The Non Chosen?
(15-02-2012 09:30 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  You were faking it for whatever reason. I think we can both agree on this statement: your Christianity wasn't real. If it was real, you would not be where are you today.

You could not know God personally... yet something else we can both agree on... but for different reasons. You thought you knew, but you really didn't... which means it was a facade.

Exactly. And if it was a facade for me, then it's the exact same facade for you, my friend.

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15-02-2012, 09:34 AM (This post was last modified: 15-02-2012 09:39 AM by kingschosen.)
RE: More KC Q&A. The Non Chosen?
(15-02-2012 08:04 AM)Denicio Wrote:  
(14-02-2012 04:00 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  As in a finite amount? Yes.

So do you have a magic number of that amount?

D

No.
(15-02-2012 09:18 AM)Denicio Wrote:  
(15-02-2012 09:14 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  
(15-02-2012 08:04 AM)Denicio Wrote:  
(14-02-2012 04:00 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  As in a finite amount? Yes.

So do you have a magic number of that amount?

D

Are you trying to get him to say 144,000? Big Grin

Actually NO! He's a brand of Christian I've not really encountered before and want to see if he's got his own Jesus-Algebra. Its not to mock, i assure you. He's peaked my curiosity.

D

Since I'm an amillennialist, the 144K is symbolic in numerology. I don't think it's a literal amount.
(15-02-2012 09:27 AM)Denicio Wrote:  
(15-02-2012 09:26 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  I do not know the "how" of how He picks the elect.

Then how do you KNOW there is a finite number?

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Because of the process of election. And, because the Bible says that not everyone will receive salvation. And, because humanity is finite. Even if every person that ever lived went to heaven it would still be a finite number.
(15-02-2012 09:34 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  
(15-02-2012 09:30 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  You were faking it for whatever reason. I think we can both agree on this statement: your Christianity wasn't real. If it was real, you would not be where are you today.

You could not know God personally... yet something else we can both agree on... but for different reasons. You thought you knew, but you really didn't... which means it was a facade.

Exactly. And if it was a facade for me, then it's the exact same facade for you, my friend.

Only time will tell, I suppose... one way or another.

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