More KC Q&A. The Non Chosen?
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15-02-2012, 02:42 PM
 
RE: More KC Q&A. The Non Chosen?
(15-02-2012 02:32 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  Yes, sometimes God can be viewed as "not good" by imperfect human standards.

So the more you become Christlike, the more you see the good in Stalin and Hitler?
Thats kinda what i take from that.... as my "Imprefect Human Standards" sees murder and genocide for ANY REASON unacceptable and bad.

My "Not Good" is far better than the "Good" of the OT/NT. So your working towords "Good" means you will become a menace to society (to those of us "Damaged goods").

Guess this is why Mother Theresa is so damn saintly..by all the "GOOD" she did in calcutta. (google christopher hitchens on MT if you are up for a bit of enlightenment).

I am now starting to get it now. Good is Bad and Bad is Good. Fuck, i am getting my dumb ass back in the christian church......they must be having ecstacy fuled orgies in there!
Again, i am the LAST to get the memo! No wonder KC dont want to leave that Southern Baptist Church! Even better...the catholic church HATES condoms...so its bareback sex n all!!! WOO HOO!!!!

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15-02-2012, 04:11 PM
RE: More KC Q&A. The Non Chosen?
(15-02-2012 09:25 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  
(15-02-2012 09:18 AM)Denicio Wrote:  
(15-02-2012 09:14 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  
(15-02-2012 08:04 AM)Denicio Wrote:  
(14-02-2012 04:00 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  As in a finite amount? Yes.

So do you have a magic number of that amount?

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Are you trying to get him to say 144,000? Big Grin

Actually NO! He's a brand of Christian I've not really encountered before and want to see if he's got his own Jesus-Algebra. Its not to mock, i assure you. He's peaked my curiosity.

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I would imagine the number would have to be unknown to those as simple as us. You can't even calculate it based on the number of known church-goers since apparently many of those are "faking" their Christianity like you and I did. I wonder how many surprises there will be. Didn't Charlie Manson think he was Jesus? Since he didn't have a choice in the matter, maybe God will save him since Charlie is God's son, but even though I was a Jesus lover for most of my life, I'll be tortured without end.

Doesn't the Bible say 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel?
Seems precise, hard to interpret that to mean other than 144,000.

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15-02-2012, 04:28 PM
RE: More KC Q&A. The Non Chosen?
(15-02-2012 04:11 PM)Chas Wrote:  Doesn't the Bible say 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel?
Seems precise, hard to interpret that to mean other than 144,000.

In numerology numbers have a meaning. Since Revelation deals with non-literal meanings, the symbolism of the numbers mean something.

12 = God placing things in perfect order / his chosen (tribes of Israel and disciples)
1000 = Divine completeness

12x12 = perfect order for all his chosen
12x12x1000 = divine completeness for his chosen

Basically, the 144K symbolizes the wholeness of the elect. Not just certain types of people, but all of those who are chosen for salvation.

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15-02-2012, 05:02 PM
RE: More KC Q&A. The Non Chosen?
(15-02-2012 04:28 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(15-02-2012 04:11 PM)Chas Wrote:  Doesn't the Bible say 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel?
Seems precise, hard to interpret that to mean other than 144,000.

In numerology numbers have a meaning. Since Revelation deals with non-literal meanings, the symbolism of the numbers mean something.

12 = God placing things in perfect order / his chosen (tribes of Israel and disciples)
1000 = Divine completeness

12x12 = perfect order for all his chosen
12x12x1000 = divine completeness for his chosen

Basically, the 144K symbolizes the wholeness of the elect. Not just certain types of people, but all of those who are chosen for salvation.

More of your tortured interpretive dance routine, I'm afraid.

66 Revelation 7:4-8
4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed; and it was 144,000, of all the tribes of the sons of Israel.
5 Of the tribe of Judah were sealed 12,000; of the tribe of Reuben, 12,000; of the tribe of Gad, 12,000;
6 of the tribe of Asher, 12,000; of the tribe of Naphtali, 12,000; of the tribe of Manasseh, 12,000;
7 of the tribe of Simeon, 12,000; of the tribe of Levi, 12,000; of the tribe of Issachar, 12,000;
8 of the tribe of Zebulun, 12,000; of the tribe of Joseph, 12,000; of the tribe of Benjamin, 12,000.

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15-02-2012, 09:54 PM
RE: More KC Q&A. The Non Chosen?
(15-02-2012 05:02 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(15-02-2012 04:28 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(15-02-2012 04:11 PM)Chas Wrote:  Doesn't the Bible say 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel?
Seems precise, hard to interpret that to mean other than 144,000.

In numerology numbers have a meaning. Since Revelation deals with non-literal meanings, the symbolism of the numbers mean something.

12 = God placing things in perfect order / his chosen (tribes of Israel and disciples)
1000 = Divine completeness

12x12 = perfect order for all his chosen
12x12x1000 = divine completeness for his chosen

Basically, the 144K symbolizes the wholeness of the elect. Not just certain types of people, but all of those who are chosen for salvation.

More of your tortured interpretive dance routine, I'm afraid.

66 Revelation 7:4-8
4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed; and it was 144,000, of all the tribes of the sons of Israel.
5 Of the tribe of Judah were sealed 12,000; of the tribe of Reuben, 12,000; of the tribe of Gad, 12,000;
6 of the tribe of Asher, 12,000; of the tribe of Naphtali, 12,000; of the tribe of Manasseh, 12,000;
7 of the tribe of Simeon, 12,000; of the tribe of Levi, 12,000; of the tribe of Issachar, 12,000;
8 of the tribe of Zebulun, 12,000; of the tribe of Joseph, 12,000; of the tribe of Benjamin, 12,000.

Oops, Chas, you didn't get the decoder ring in the mail like all the elect have, so you can't be expected to read the text for what it says. You have to have secret knowledge to know what it REALLY means.

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