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19-02-2015, 12:33 AM
More Omegle madness
Another Omegle conversation when I was bored at 1a. What I found particularly interesting this time was how quickly it escalated and that "atheism" was one of the topics this person had as an interest. If you want to challenge/discuss atheism with me (or anyone) then why give up at the end in a typical hit-and-run fashion? Here's the whole conversation, and it's not too long.

Me: What's up.
Him: Atheist?

Me: Yep U?

Him: So you like talking about it? No I am not
Me: Sure, it's a conversation starter

Him: I am a Roman Catholic
Me: I was

Him: I see, You were Catholic?
Me: Yes

Him: What made you leave?
Me: Lots of things, to be honest. I was never very religious to begin with

Him: I see. But you lost your faith in God completely?
Me: Yes, completely. No faith.

Him: You have faith. Just not in God.
Me: Well, faith in the secular meaning of confidence, but not as in to believe in something despite no evidence

Him: So you believe there is no objective moral truths? Yes, I see.
Me: That is correct. All morals are subjective.

Him: So evil really does not exist then. Correct?
Me: People do bad things, people do good things. It takes religion for good people to bad things.

Him: And raping and torturing kids could be ok. It takes religion for what?
Me: You mean the raping and torturing that god endorses in the bible? Religion makes people do bad things. I thought that was pretty clear

Him: Nope. God never endorses evil. That is the result of our sins and failures. God created everything good. Religion makes me do bad things? How is that?
Me: Sorry, can't agree with you there. First, I don't believe there is any god, but if you're talking about the god of the bible, my morals are superior to his

Him: How can you say that objectively?
Me: It's not objective, it's subjective.

Him: But I am religious and you said religion makes people do bad things
Me: It does, I didn't say all people. I don't know you. You could be an exception

Him: So, being subjective, your morals are not greater than God's. It's just your opinion
Me: Ha.

Him: What good does atheism bring to the world? Do you think that if religion never existed the world would be at peace?
Me: It is my opinion, yes, that genocide, infanticide, rape, stoning homosexuals and children to death is evil, and your god enforced that. He is a petulant tyrannical ass. And yes, the world would be at more peace for sure.

Him: Can you quote where scripture states that? It would be? Haha. Ok.
Me: Atheism isn't a movement. I've read the bible from front to back more than once. Don't pretend like you don't understand the OT. Think about the wars and turmoil going on right now.

Him: Scripture scholars would disagree with your interpretations.
Me: Please. Read Exodus again

Him: Most wars are not religious wars. Unless you are unfamiliar with history as well.
Me: Read the OT again. There is no misunderstanding explicit instructions on how to own slaves, and the millions killed in the OT in war trumps all. More people have been killed in the name of religion than in any other "cause"

Him: Yes. But slaves came from human choices. Not God
Me: Is the bible the inspired word of god? Nope. You are wrong my friend. Sorry

Him: Yes it is. The Bible is inspired by God. Yes.
Me: The bible explicitly says how to own slaves, when you can rape women, etc. There's no defending it. And I'm not wrong. 9/11 7/7 Inquisition Crusades Ethnic cleansing, Ireland's prot-cath war ... I could do this all night.

Him: Abortion kills 3300 babies a day in the USA
Me: No it doesn't. They aren't babies. You're brainwashed

Him: Oops. I guess that beats all the wars combined.
Me: Nope, you're wrong.

Him: They aren't babies. Wow. You are ignorant. What are they? Monkeys?
Me: Ignorant? They are fetuses, gametes, zygotes. Not babies.

Him: See what atheism did to you? And a fetus is not a stage of development? Like infant, toddler, etc?
Me: Ha, atheism has nothing to do with this. At all. You don't have the right to tell a woman what to do with her body. And no, it's not a stage of development. Is a toddler a baby? By your rationale, sperm is a baby. You're the ignorant one.

Him: Ok. Bye. Stupid is as stupid does. God bless you. One day you will know.

What I'll take away from this, aside from my aforementioned comments, is how easily angered people get when things like this get discussed. And I actually laughed out loud when I read where he said I was ignorant. I don't know why I do this. I do enjoy it, and a couple of times I did get some people to open their eyes, if only for a bit. I'll keep doing it because it's convenient to just fire up the iPad and try to bring a little rational thought into the world.

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19-02-2015, 05:08 AM
RE: More Omegle madness
I notice that on e he loses the argument on war he immediately switches to abortion. Because that's us a stronger point.
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19-02-2015, 09:31 AM
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Yes, very predictable. It's like they have an outdated playbook.

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19-02-2015, 09:33 AM
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Omegle Christians are always fun...

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19-02-2015, 01:30 PM
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And I know I always mention in here that I prefer not to debate one on one because it usually does no good, that I prefer an audience because that's when I may find some fence-sitters, but Omegle is so convenient and you might actually find someone looking for that anonymity to help them explore the truth.

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19-02-2015, 02:01 PM
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(19-02-2015 12:33 AM)WillHopp Wrote:  What I'll take away from this, aside from my aforementioned comments, is how easily angered people get when things like this get discussed. And I actually laughed out loud when I read where he said I was ignorant. I don't know why I do this. I do enjoy it, and a couple of times I did get some people to open their eyes, if only for a bit. I'll keep doing it because it's convenient to just fire up the iPad and try to bring a little rational thought into the world.

When I read the conversation, it seemed like your fuse was the one that got lit very early. He asked about subjective morality, and then you seemed quite annoyed about this, and went on a long tirade about how horrible the God of the bible is.

He asked if you believed evil does not exist? You didn't really answer that question, but the question seemed to have rubbed you the wrong way, and that's sort of where the conversation took a sour turn.

His final response didn't bode well for him either, but I do think it's interesting how people can read the same conversation, and see the dynamics of it quite differently.
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19-02-2015, 05:18 PM
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Have you seen any of Anthony Magnabosco's videos on youtube? I think they are a pretty reasonable starting point for making conversations like these more productive. He spends a lot of time walking the streets and asking people about their god beliefs, and records and analyses the conversations. He has done a video on a twitter conversation about Obama wanting to incite a race war that is particularly applicable to an online context:



Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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20-02-2015, 12:05 AM
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When I read the conversation, it seemed like your fuse was the one that got lit very early. He asked about subjective morality, and then you seemed quite annoyed about this, and went on a long tirade about how horrible the God of the bible is.

He asked if you believed evil does not exist? You didn't really answer that question, but the question seemed to have rubbed you the wrong way, and that's sort of where the conversation took a sour turn.

His final response didn't bode well for him either, but I do think it's interesting how people can read the same conversation, and see the dynamics of it quite differently.
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I have to disagree. He made the leap first, suggesting rape and child torture could be acceptable without objective morals. It was a nasty uncalled for jab and I gave what I got, precisely. It took about five more back-and-forths before I laid into him about his god. But by then he was already starting the throw accusations about atheism in there, etc.

Also, the evil question didn't rub me the wrong way and I most certainly did answer it. When I said there are good people and bad people that meant there is good and evil in the world. What part of that isn't comprehended? Then I explained that religion makes good people do bad things, because that is true, and what they do is evil (suicide bombers, blowing up abortion clinics, denying basic human rights, senseless murders over a cartoon). I consider that question answered.

Read it again, but don't read it with me having an edge to my voice but rather in a calm manner and see if you still feel that way.

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20-02-2015, 12:08 AM
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(19-02-2015 05:18 PM)Hafnof Wrote:  Have you seen any of Anthony Magnabosco's videos on youtube? I think they are a pretty reasonable starting point for making conversations like these more productive.

I did watch two of his videos (I got that link on here so maybe you put that up?) and they were intriguing. I think the problem here for me was my Omegle partner started asking the questions first, so I couldn't slip into Magnabosco's method even if I wanted to. It was like he was Magnabosco and I was the passerby.

Next time I'll start asking questions to see how I handle it.

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