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07-08-2015, 11:24 PM
More Omegle madness
Every once in a while on Omegle, I stumble across someone who scares the bejebus out of me. Last night was one of those times, so I just had to post this conversation. There are people out there who, when they have no idea about a given topic, merely make up whatever they think that topic is and that's good enough for them. I believe this guy fits into that camp quite nicely. There has yet to be an instrument invented that can measure the depths of delusion that this guy exuded. At first, I thought it was going to be promising, but it quickly eroded into a pit of ignorance. Here we go:

Him: Are you religious?
Me: Nope, Funny, huh?
Him: Funny?
Me: Well, it says I like religion, but it's ironic since I despise it.
Him: Oh! Ok, yea it is.
Me: U, religious?
Him: Idk I'm into a lot of different things
Me: Like?
Him: I'm kinda christian/pagan
Me: Aren't those conflicting ideologies?
Him: Christianity is rooted in paganism. The church pretty much jacked there shit and beliefs, and labeled pagan gods as demons so they could control people.
Me: Oh, I mostly agree.
Him: I have christian beliefs, like the existence of Jesus and God and apply His message of compassion to my life, but I don't practice my faith like Christians do. I don't care for church, rituals/sacraments, or worship. I show my respect for him in other ways.
Me: By respecting others, right?
Him: Yes, all life. That's why I'm vegan. I try to respect living creatures. Sometimes easier said than done, especially people. Pretty much the things God has made, not the things humans made in his name.
Me: Let me ask u, do you believe in evolution? I have a very specific reason for asking.
Him: I think it's possible, but I personally don't. But I don't know.

I'll interject here for a minute. I was hoping he'd say he believed in evolution because I just wanted to chat about my concern with where we draw the line in our respect for life. Since we are related to all life, why is eating only vegetables any more moral or acceptable than eating cows? Vegetation can feel things; they are living things, we are related to them. But since he didn't believe in evolution I had to take this in a different direction.

Me: Ok, well that leads to other questions for me then. Were you taught evolution at all?
Him: I live in the south in US, so of course not, lol. I only know the little bit I've looked into myself. I understand the gist.
Me: Ok, so you understand the gist, but you don't believe it, why?
Him: I wasn't there.
Me: You weren't there? You weren't there for your conception, either, but it happened. You weren't there for the holocaust, but it happened. You weren't there when the technology was invented that led to Omegle, yet you are communicating with me.
Him: As in, I don't have first-hand experience watching our species evolve as mapped out in the theory.
Me: But you don't have first-hand experience in almost everything in your life's path.
Him: It just doesn't resonate with me.
Me: Hmmm... This is interesting. So, how old do you believe the human race is?
Him: I don't know.
Me: How can you say something like "it doesn't resonate" with you and then not have any idea how long humans have been on earth?
Him: Because I don't think about these things. All I know is I am here and I didn't ask to be, so I'm trying to find out what's behind my experiences that have lead me to believe in God.
Me: Ok, just answer me this, what do you think evolution is? You did some looking into it and you said you got the gist, so I'd like to know what the gist is for you.
Him: Humans evolved into a more rational, intelligent, less hairy species.
Me: What? Less hairy than what?
Him: Why are you interested in whether or not I believe in evolution?
Me: Well, my original reasoning was because you said you cherish all life, and so do I. But when you said you didn't believe in evolution, I had to pursue that line of questioning instead. If you believed in evolution I would have had a different question for you.
Him: What was the other question?
Me: Well, it's hard to ask it since you don't believe in the fact of evolution. You're not a creationist though, right? Or should I say young earth creationist?
Him: Creationist? Like if I believe life was create by God?
Me: Well, a YEC believes in a literal bible
Him: YEC?
Me: That the earth was made roughly 6K years ago. YEC = Young Earth Creationist
Him: Oh, well I don't know about all that. I think the earth is millions of years old.
Me: Cool. That's good. It's actually almost 5 billion years old, but at least you didn't say thousands. So what are those experiences you mentioned that led you to believe in a god?

Now this guy will make you laugh and cringe. Up until this point he was pretty harmless, but then he boarded the train to Delusion Junction and I just couldn't wait to read what he had to say next.

Him: Hauntings and other encounters with spirits. Some good some bad. It got me thinking that there's more out there.
Me: And what evidence do you have for these spirits? Just personal revelation?
Him: I saw them and heard them. So I started looking into it.
Me: Do you believe in other kinds of sightings, such as UFOs, are they legit?
Him: Yes, the universe is massive so I don't think it's far off to assume there's other life out there.
Me: Excellent. Can you tell me about these spirits? And why are these occurrences a sign of a god?
Him: Through the hauntings, I learned they fear Jesus, just the mention of his name makes them run. So those experiences strengthened my belief in God, among other things.
Me: Are you telling me you conversed with evil spirits and you physically saw them run at the mention of Jesus?
Him: Conversed no. I never carry on a conversation with them. And yes, they run.
Me: So they have a physical presence? If you didn't converse with them then how do you know it was a haunting? Did these spirits carry a sign? I'm a little confused.
Him: I knew is was a haunting because they came every night. They would say things to me, trying to get my attention but I'd ignore them. And I could see them watching me.
Me: Were you ever under the influence of any type of drug during any of these? Were you nearly asleep?
Him: No
Me: So they were talking to you and took a human form and you said "Jesus" and they ran?
Him: In human form no, demons and other evil spirits are low vibrational beings. They don't usually have the energy to appear in their true form. Plus some were once human, other never were. They look like a walking shadow. Have you ever heard of shadow people? A lot of people see and encounter them. But yes, they fear Jesus.
Me: This is fascinating. I just don't know what to say. Something such as evolution doesn't resonate with you but low vibrational beings that fear Jesus does. Incredible stuff right there. Where did you come up with that explanation?
Him: Well I believe my spirit is having a human experience. I'm not really concerned with scientific explanations as to why I'm here or how humans came to be. I want to know why am I having these experiences. There so much out there that's unexplained.
Me: I could talk to you forever. Unfortunately I have to get some sleep. It's killing me because this was a great conversation and I don't want it to end. I only wish you could embrace evolution/science the way you believe in woo.
Him: Neither have all the answers. Good night.

Some of the tripe this guy was typing was beyond hilarious. Less hairy species? Seriously? He never did say what he meant by that, even if it is obvious. Running spirits? Low vibrational beings? Jesus as an antidote? This guy had an extra helping of crazy and I'm so glad this conversation wasn't in person. I don't know if I would have been able to either keep a straight face or stop from slapping him.

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07-08-2015, 11:44 PM
RE: More Omegle madness
Through how many penises did you have to mine to find this gem?

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08-08-2015, 04:59 AM
RE: More Omegle madness
"Vegetation can feel things; they are living things, we are related to them."

How, without a nervous system, can vegetation feel things? Consider

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08-08-2015, 07:42 AM
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(08-08-2015 04:59 AM)Chas Wrote:  "Vegetation can feel things; they are living things, we are related to them."

How, without a nervous system, can vegetation feel things? Consider

I don't know, but a plant knows whether it's location is giving it what it needs and if that can be remedied by growth habit, it will change it's normal growth habit to improve it's situation. You can see that all the time in trees growing crooked to catch sun or plants growing "leggy" (tall and skinny) and such. So there is some sort of cognition based on sensing things... Watching plants is one of my hobbies as I have gardens and while I have no idea what makes them tick, there is definitely a recognition of beneficial and detrimental situations and there are attempts to remedy things. As gardener, I notice these things and, if warranted, I respond by moving the plant to a better spot.

I have lots of stories of plants clearly reacting to their environment, I find watching this interesting. How do they sense things and how do they decide how to react? No idea. But they quite obviously do.

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08-08-2015, 07:48 AM
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(08-08-2015 07:42 AM)Dom Wrote:  I have lots of stories of plants clearly reacting to their environment, I find watching this interesting. How do they sense things and how do they decide how to react? No idea. But they quite obviously do.

They do react to their environment; light, temperature, water, etc certainly affect the growth processes and cause the plant to grow towards the more favorable conditions. Wind does mechanical shaping. None of it requires any "deciding" on the part of the plant.

As an example, phototropism explains how they grow towards or away from light sources.

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08-08-2015, 07:55 AM
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(08-08-2015 07:42 AM)Dom Wrote:  
(08-08-2015 04:59 AM)Chas Wrote:  "Vegetation can feel things; they are living things, we are related to them."

How, without a nervous system, can vegetation feel things? Consider

I don't know, but a plant knows whether it's location is giving it what it needs and if that can be remedied by growth habit, it will change it's normal growth habit to improve it's situation. You can see that all the time in trees growing crooked to catch sun or plants growing "leggy" (tall and skinny) and such. So there is some sort of cognition based on sensing things... Watching plants is one of my hobbies as I have gardens and while I have no idea what makes them tick, there is definitely a recognition of beneficial and detrimental situations and there are attempts to remedy things. As gardener, I notice these things and, if warranted, I respond by moving the plant to a better spot.

I have lots of stories of plants clearly reacting to their environment, I find watching this interesting. How do they sense things and how do they decide how to react? No idea. But they quite obviously do.

The same could be said about my iPhone. But I don't see any reason to imagine that it feels pain when dropped.
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08-08-2015, 07:55 AM
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(08-08-2015 07:48 AM)unfogged Wrote:  
(08-08-2015 07:42 AM)Dom Wrote:  I have lots of stories of plants clearly reacting to their environment, I find watching this interesting. How do they sense things and how do they decide how to react? No idea. But they quite obviously do.

They do react to their environment; light, temperature, water, etc certainly affect the growth processes and cause the plant to grow towards the more favorable conditions. Wind does mechanical shaping. None of it requires any "deciding" on the part of the plant.

As an example, phototropism explains how they grow towards or away from light sources.

I should go and study the subject more - but I really just love observing. Things like a fig tree adapting to growing no higher than 30 inches but spreading like a ground cover because the taller branches get frozen off every winter, a honeysuckle shrub consistently making shoots only on the other side of the fence to avoid being eaten by Llamas, until none of it is left in the pasture and the shrub grows happily on the other side, all kinds of unexpected responses.

Do you have any reading recommendations?

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08-08-2015, 08:44 AM
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(08-08-2015 07:55 AM)Dom Wrote:  Do you have any reading recommendations?

I don't, it isn't my field, just something I also find generally interesting. Billions of years of evolution have evidently created some pretty amazing adaptations.

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08-08-2015, 08:54 AM
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(08-08-2015 04:59 AM)Chas Wrote:  "Vegetation can feel things; they are living things, we are related to them."

How, without a nervous system, can vegetation feel things? Consider

Maybe "feel" was a little strong or an exaggeration for impact, but I meant they sense their surroundings and they can hear when they are being eaten and put up defenses to protect themselves.

https://vimeo.com/99635253

Didn't realize THAT would be what everyone would react to from this post.

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08-08-2015, 09:35 AM
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(08-08-2015 08:54 AM)WillHopp Wrote:  Maybe "feel" was a little strong or an exaggeration for impact, but I meant they sense their surroundings and they can hear when they are being eaten and put up defenses to protect themselves.

https://vimeo.com/99635253

Didn't realize THAT would be what everyone would react to from this post.

To quote Spock, fascinating. I'm not sure I'd call it "hearing" except in a very loose sense though. That seems to be jumping the gun since I see a difference between reacting to vibrations and interpreting those vibrations as sounds. It will be interesting to see what the mechanism is that allows the plants to react to the vibrations and if it really is comparable to hearing.

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