Mormon Misogyny
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29-07-2012, 10:52 AM
Mormon Misogyny
Among "Christian" religions, the LDS church (Mormonism) has to be one of the worst when it comes to sexist attitudes and outright misogyny.
  • Mormon women have absolutely no power in the LDS church.
  • No woman can be a mission president, bishop, stake president, or general authority, or hold any ecclesiastical office with power over a man.
  • Mormon women cannot receive ecclesiastical forgiveness from other women. Only a man can grant forgiveness on behalf of God and "his" church.
  • All women's organizations in Mormonism are "auxiliaries" with no control over their own funding or selection of leaders.
  • Women can't organize or hold events (even women-only events) without the blessing of a male "priesthood" leader, who has to "preside" at the meeting.
    Even a 12-year old deacon has more authority in the church than an Mormon woman.
  • Women have to swear oaths of obedience to their husbands in LDS temples (this was recently watered down so that a woman only has to swear to obey her husband as long as he is obeying God).
  • Women can't know the "new name" of her husband (in LDS temple rituals), but her her husband gets to know her "new name."
  • Women have to veil their faces during parts of the temple ritual, such as during prayer (consider the symbolism -- women can't approach God directly). Men do not wear veils.
  • Feminism is a dirty word in the LDS church. Boyd K. Packer, one of the Mormon Twelve Apostles, has indicated that the three biggest dangers to the church are "the gay-lesbian movement, the feminist movement ..., and the ever-present challenge from the so-called scholars or intellectuals."
  • Not surprisingly, the LDS Church strongly opposed the Equal Rights Amendment in the 70s.
  • Women can be excommunicated by a single man -- her bishop. A man who hold the "priesthood" (most men do) can only be excommunicated by a 12-member High Council court, where his interests are ostensibly represented by 6 of the High Council members.
  • In the 1990s, several prominent LDS feminists were excommunicated because they suggested that women could pray to a "heavenly mother." Incidentally, Mormons believe in a heavenly mother, they just don't like to talk about her because it makes them look "weird."
  • Women are taught that their primary role is motherhood. Work outside the home is discouraged.
  • Women (and men) are taught to not delay parenthood. LDS women start having children much earlier than the national average. This causes many women to drop out of college and not compete their degrees.
  • Mormon women today are still brought up to believe that the most important thing they can do is "to marry the right person, in the right place, by the right authority."
  • Girls grow up believing that their virginity is what makes them worth marrying. They are told that "If you allow boys to touch you in forbidden ways...no good man will ever want to marry you." Young women are taught object lessons, such as the "licked cupcake" or "chewed gum," to show them how their value as a wife is destroyed if they have any form of premarital sex.
  • Mormon women are pressured on how to dress (modesty, no flip-flops in church) and what type of jewelry to wear (only one set of earrings). Women who marry Mormon leaders are held to an even higher standard. I know one wife of a general authority who must wear a dress when going to the supermarket. The LDS Church has a strong "Stepford Wives" mentality.
  • Teenage girls are interviewed in private by Mormon bishops about their "chastity" and often asked questions about their sexual experiences.
  • Before 1980, women could not speak in regular Sunday "sacrament" meetings or in General Conference.
  • To this day, women are not supposed to give the opening prayer in sacrament meeting.
  • Women who wish to serve LDS missions must wait until they are 21. LDS men can serve at 19. Apparently, this is to give women a greater chance to fulfill their primary role -- marriage.
  • Although polygamy is not practiced openly in Mormonism, men can still be "sealed" (married) to more than one woman (as long as only one is currently alive). By contrast, LDS women can be sealed to only one husband, regardless of whether her former husband is dead. In the 19th and early 20th century, polygamy was the ultimate form of control over Mormon women. They had no leverage. If they displeased their husbands, they would simply be replaced with a more compliant woman. Polygamy is still a doctrine of the church, and many people believe that it will come back after the return of Jesus Christ. When I used to attend church, I heard many men joke about how they were looking forward to becoming polygamists when the doctrine was restored.
  • Susan Easton Black, BYU professor, summed up the attitude of the church in an address at Education Week, published in the BYU Daily Universe, entitled “Latter-day Saint women can make a difference” (the patronizing title was apparently lost on most BYU students). She said women stand out in history for three reasons: 1) being the mother of a famous person, 2) being the wife of an important person and 3) race (i.e., a woman of a different race can make a difference). She was not saying this in a condemning way. She approved of it.

The sad part is that many Mormon women do not believe they are being repressed and report that they like all of the restrictions and having men make decisions for them. After all, men (their husbands, their bishops, etc.) speak for God.

I would be interested in hearing about how women are marginalized by religion. My experience has primarily been with Mormonism, but I'm sure that similar problems are experienced in many faiths.

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29-07-2012, 11:33 AM
RE: Mormon Misogyny
Friend of mine mentioned in passing that once his girlfriend was married to him she'd have to obey him. Could have knocked me over with a feather. I chirped him hard once I picked my jaw up off the floor but both she and he were all for it. AFAIK they were just common or garden protestants. But she was such a great chick. Fun & tough. Not at all the type to let anyone boss her around... people are weird... As far as they were concerned it was right there in the words of that prick St Paul and that was all there was to it.
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29-07-2012, 12:13 PM
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Makes me want to puke... I can't even read this stuff. No

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29-07-2012, 12:46 PM
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My parents took me to the Mormon Tabernacle as a teenager (just as part of my tourist education, not for religious purposes). We were told that women are not permitted within certain physical areas/rooms of the church at all, period. Dunno if this is still in effect.

Beautiful architecture. Crappy religion.

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29-07-2012, 03:45 PM
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(29-07-2012 10:52 AM)Theofrak Wrote:  Among "Christian" religions, the LDS church (Mormonism) has to be one of the worst when it comes to sexist attitudes and outright misogyny.
  • Girls grow up believing that their virginity is what makes them worth marrying. They are told that "If you allow boys to touch you in forbidden ways...no good man will ever want to marry you." Young women are taught object lessons, such as the "licked cupcake" or "chewed gum," to show them how their value as a wife is destroyed if they have any form of premarital sex.

We might have had superstitious ancestors, but not necessarily foolish ones when it came to seeing the real consequences of human behavior. The traditional wisdom holds that sexually experienced women make bad wives, and the empirical evidence seems to support that:

http://socialpathology.blogspot.com/2010...-risk.html
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29-07-2012, 06:37 PM (This post was last modified: 29-07-2012 07:01 PM by kim.)
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(29-07-2012 03:45 PM)advancedatheist Wrote:  We might have had superstitious ancestors, but not necessarily foolish ones when it came to seeing the real consequences of human behavior. The traditional wisdom holds that sexually experienced women make bad wives, and the empirical evidence seems to support that.

Just because you want to control a woman because you think she might find out that other guys might have bigger... lettering... than you; I don't think you need to shout about it.

Besides, I could have sworn it was sexually inexperienced men that make shitty husbands. Dodgy

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29-07-2012, 07:16 PM
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(29-07-2012 06:37 PM)kim Wrote:  
(29-07-2012 03:45 PM)advancedatheist Wrote:  We might have had superstitious ancestors, but not necessarily foolish ones when it came to seeing the real consequences of human behavior. The traditional wisdom holds that sexually experienced women make bad wives, and the empirical evidence seems to support that.

Just because you want to control a woman because you think she might find out that other guys might have bigger... lettering... than you; I don't think you need to shout about it.

Besides, I could have sworn it was sexually inexperienced men that make shitty husbands. Dodgy

Absolutely! What she said Dodgy

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30-07-2012, 12:22 PM
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I was told at the age of 12 when I brought a list of questions and contradictions to the then bishop of my church and to my uncle, that as a woman, I would have a hard life because I..... thought too much. I was hurt and confused but motivated to find out "the truth" it is what started my search for a correct church and ultimately brought me to my lack of belief entirely. So thanks asshats I owe you one Smile

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30-07-2012, 07:53 PM
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(29-07-2012 03:45 PM)advancedatheist Wrote:  
(29-07-2012 10:52 AM)Theofrak Wrote:  Among "Christian" religions, the LDS church (Mormonism) has to be one of the worst when it comes to sexist attitudes and outright misogyny.
  • Girls grow up believing that their virginity is what makes them worth marrying. They are told that "If you allow boys to touch you in forbidden ways...no good man will ever want to marry you." Young women are taught object lessons, such as the "licked cupcake" or "chewed gum," to show them how their value as a wife is destroyed if they have any form of premarital sex.

We might have had superstitious ancestors, but not necessarily foolish ones when it came to seeing the real consequences of human behavior. The traditional wisdom holds that sexually experienced women make bad wives, and the empirical evidence seems to support that:

http://socialpathology.blogspot.com/2010...-risk.html

*If* this is true, it should apply equally to men. However, I never once (in 18 years as a young person in the church) was given one of these purity lessons. They are reserved for women.

Because of the strong emphasis on virginity (this includes no oral sex), people who do slip are often excommunicated, disfellowshipped, or othewise disciplined by the church. I have observed that women are often punished more frequently than men. Women are taught to believe that they are the gatekeepers of men's chastity - hence, the strong emphasis on modesty.

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30-07-2012, 07:55 PM
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(30-07-2012 12:22 PM)k37713 Wrote:  I was told at the age of 12 when I brought a list of questions and contradictions to the then bishop of my church and to my uncle, that as a woman, I would have a hard life because I..... thought too much. I was hurt and confused but motivated to find out "the truth" it is what started my search for a correct church and ultimately brought me to my lack of belief entirely. So thanks asshats I owe you one Smile

It's great that you figured it out early.

I've heard similar comments, applied to both men and women. There is a scripture in the Book of Mormon that says, essentially, woe unto the learned, for they think they are wise..." The LDS church has a strong anti-intellectual bias.

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