Mormons Declare War On Masturbation. Porn is apparently at epidemic levels in Utah.
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21-04-2016, 04:21 PM (This post was last modified: 21-04-2016 04:27 PM by SitaSky.)
RE: Mormons Declare War On Masturbation.
(21-04-2016 10:25 AM)Alla Wrote:  Sex for fun between husband and wife is also sacred and sanctified by God.
I thought that sex should be for fun all the time. But sometimes babies might come out of this.
Sex without fun must be horrible.
It is not sanctified by God. If you didn't make covenants with God(if you don't belong to His Church) you are not damned for having sex outside marriage. It(other sex) is NOT sanctified but it is not damned either.
But if I make covenant with God and PROMISE Him to keep His laws and then I break my promise it is different story.
So, you are fine Thumbsup as long as you don't break your promises/covenants.
I assume you didn't make any covenants with God. Smile

The idea that a private act between two people who are consenting should be somehow purified or free of "sin" is nonsensical. It's a beautiful act that brings pleasure to people, no one is getting hurt here.

I would think he would be more worried about wars and children starving and murders, etc. Why would anyone have to make a "covenant" to God to only drop their panties for their spouse? Why does that please him? Also I would be highly suspect of such a being that has any laws regarding sex to begin with and they've never had sex, or even the desire for sex and sent the spirit form of itself to impregnate a teenage girl when she hadn't even consented to it.

"Hey Gabriel, can you go down and tell that girl Mary she's gonna have my baby?"

"Uhhh, ok sure but why don't you just tell her?"

"Uhhh...well..it's awkward and all because I did it already without asking her first...which kinda makes me a rapist...but, I mean I'm sure she'll be cool with it."

Anyone who thinks that's cool to do doesn't deserve any respect and certainly shouldn't be going around telling other people how and when to have sex.

I just think sex is sex, it doesn't matter if it happens outside or inside a marriage and I don't see why God would care and needs his followers to "promise" to keep his laws about not doing it unless you symbolically stand in front of some clergy member and say some magic words, put on a ring and sign a piece of paper first. I don't see how all that dressing up and eating cake stuff makes the sex you have afterward so much better and more special, it's like some kind of witch craft? I get that getting married is special and the sex would feel better because you're totally committed but that's still private and not any of God's business.

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21-04-2016, 04:34 PM
RE: Mormons Declare War On Masturbation. Porn is apparently at epidemic levels in Utah.
Correct me if i am wrong, but i believe the mormon church is also opposed to fellatio (not sure about cunnilinguis) and anal, within marriage, but i believe they also keep a dont ask dont tell policy, where they advise against it, but dont discuss it. So its not just masturbation they dont like.
I just couldnt imagine. Just stick it in and make a baby, i guess.
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21-04-2016, 04:45 PM
RE: Mormons Declare War On Masturbation. Porn is apparently at epidemic levels in Utah.
(21-04-2016 04:34 PM)Gordon Blue Wrote:  Correct me if i am wrong, but i believe the mormon church is also opposed to fellatio (not sure about cunnilinguis) and anal, within marriage, but i believe they also keep a dont ask dont tell policy, where they advise against it, but dont discuss it. So its not just masturbation they dont like.
I just couldnt imagine. Just stick it in and make a baby, i guess.

I'd imagine that the "official policy" is to have only sex between men and women in the "usual way".....

Why???

To make more brainless little minions to follow Joseph Smith, and to pay the bills.........................................

It always comes down to the same basic fuckery --- Follow the money......................

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21-04-2016, 06:28 PM
RE: Mormons Declare War On Masturbation. Porn is apparently at epidemic levels in Utah.
Back when I was a Catholic, my fiancée and I had to attend classes about being married in the church. One thing struck me as kind of strange- one of the facilitators said, "As long as penis ends up in vagina (meaning the sperm gets delivered), anything goes". I got to thinking, "What if they were doing anal, first?". I don't indulge, but that could lead to all sorts of nastiness, infectionwise.
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21-04-2016, 09:04 PM
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(21-04-2016 06:28 PM)Fireball Wrote:  Back when I was a Catholic, my fiancée and I had to attend classes about being married in the church. One thing struck me as kind of strange- one of the facilitators said, "As long as penis ends up in vagina (meaning the sperm gets delivered), anything goes". I got to thinking, "What if they were doing anal, first?". I don't indulge, but that could lead to all sorts of nastiness, infectionwise.

Takes me back to the Morel Orel episode where he's taught this and therefore discovers he has a loophole to keep masturbating. All good if he finishes properly.




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21-04-2016, 09:25 PM
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(21-04-2016 11:23 AM)Alla Wrote:  
(21-04-2016 11:12 AM)morondog Wrote:  How about sex for fun between gay people?
It is not sanctified by God but it is not damned either. People who are not covenant with God do NOT know His laws. So, they do NOT sin. They transgress. There is the difference.
Only those who break covenants sin.
What a load of bullshit.

First off transgress is defined as "to do something not allowed : to disobey a command or law", so right off the bat your entirely full of shit as usual.

Also from a church statement issued in 1991 ..."Sexual relations are proper only between husband and wife appropriately expressed within the bonds of marriage. Any other sexual contact, including fornication, adultery, and homosexual and lesbian behavior is sinful .... We plead with those involved in such behavior to forsake it." So once again you are just making shit up to try and make your cult look less fucking dickish than it actually is.

Hell just last year your church clarified it's stance that gay members of the LDS are in apostasy, will be "disciplined" and that children living in a same-sex household can not receive a name, a blessing, or be baptized until at least 18, and whats even worse must disavow same-sex marriage and must not be in a house with a gay parent.

"....(LDS) church members represented as much as 80 to 90 percent of the early volunteers petitioning voters door-to-door and 50 percent of the campaign funds in support of California Proposition 8 (2008)....." to ban gay marriage.

Your church has actively campaigned against government recognition against same-sex marriage and has argued for the right for religious institutions to discriminate job applicantséhousing based on if they are gay or not. Furthermore the church has vocally supported an amendment to the Constitution to define marriage as SOLELY between a man an a woman.

Here have some more:
"Church president Spencer W. Kimball stated that he finds it hard to believe that one would choose to be homosexual by a conscious decision; instead, he suggested that it might be a spiritual disorder—with its roots in selfishness—resulting in feelings that must be overcome or suppressed."
"The church has also taught that homosexual behavior distorts loving relationships,[1] undermines the divinely created institution of the family[10] and can become an addiction."
"The church teaches that homosexual behavior has always been a grievous sin."
"In 1965, apostle Spencer W. Kimball addressed homosexuality in his speech "Love vs Lust." He called it a "heinous" sin, but taught those with homosexual "desires and tendencies" could overcome it "the same as if he had the urge toward petting or fornication or adultery."
"However, he also claimed that homosexual behavior can lead to sex with animals:

Sin in sex practices tends to have a "snowballing" effect. As the restraints fall away, Satan incites the carnal man to ever-deepening degeneracy in his search for excitement until in many instances he is lost to any former considerations of decency. Thus it is that through the ages, perhaps as an extension of homosexual practices, men and women have sunk even to seeking sexual satisfactions with animals.[53]"

"For example, in 1974, Kimball stated that "[e]very form of homosexuality is sin. Pornography is one of the approaches to that transgression."[65] Over half a decade later in a special message to all members of the church, Kimball stated that "[s]ometimes masturbation is the introduction to the more serious sins of exhibitionism and the gross sin of homosexuality."[66]"
"In 1978, Packer followed this up with "To the One", a sermon that was also published as a pamphlet, which characterized homosexual interaction as a perversion and presented the possibility that it had its roots in selfishness and could be cured with "unselfish thoughts, with unselfish acts"

You are full of shit Alla, you are a brainwashed idiot in a hateful oppressive cult.

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22-04-2016, 04:26 AM
RE: Mormons Declare War On Masturbation. Porn is apparently at epidemic levels in Utah.
Once again, Whisky saves me the trouble.

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22-04-2016, 04:29 AM
RE: Mormons Declare War On Masturbation. Porn is apparently at epidemic levels in Utah.
Yeah but did that come from the true prophets? Drinking Beverage

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22-04-2016, 05:11 AM
RE: Mormons Declare War On Masturbation. Porn is apparently at epidemic levels in Utah.
(21-04-2016 09:25 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  
(21-04-2016 11:23 AM)Alla Wrote:  It is not sanctified by God but it is not damned either. People who are not covenant with God do NOT know His laws. So, they do NOT sin. They transgress. There is the difference.
Only those who break covenants sin.
What a load of bullshit.

First off transgress is defined as "to do something not allowed : to disobey a command or law", so right off the bat your entirely full of shit as usual.

Also from a church statement issued in 1991 ..."Sexual relations are proper only between husband and wife appropriately expressed within the bonds of marriage. Any other sexual contact, including fornication, adultery, and homosexual and lesbian behavior is sinful .... We plead with those involved in such behavior to forsake it." So once again you are just making shit up to try and make your cult look less fucking dickish than it actually is.

Hell just last year your church clarified it's stance that gay members of the LDS are in apostasy, will be "disciplined" and that children living in a same-sex household can not receive a name, a blessing, or be baptized until at least 18, and whats even worse must disavow same-sex marriage and must not be in a house with a gay parent.

"....(LDS) church members represented as much as 80 to 90 percent of the early volunteers petitioning voters door-to-door and 50 percent of the campaign funds in support of California Proposition 8 (2008)....." to ban gay marriage.

Your church has actively campaigned against government recognition against same-sex marriage and has argued for the right for religious institutions to discriminate job applicantséhousing based on if they are gay or not. Furthermore the church has vocally supported an amendment to the Constitution to define marriage as SOLELY between a man an a woman.

Here have some more:
"Church president Spencer W. Kimball stated that he finds it hard to believe that one would choose to be homosexual by a conscious decision; instead, he suggested that it might be a spiritual disorder—with its roots in selfishness—resulting in feelings that must be overcome or suppressed."
"The church has also taught that homosexual behavior distorts loving relationships,[1] undermines the divinely created institution of the family[10] and can become an addiction."
"The church teaches that homosexual behavior has always been a grievous sin."
"In 1965, apostle Spencer W. Kimball addressed homosexuality in his speech "Love vs Lust." He called it a "heinous" sin, but taught those with homosexual "desires and tendencies" could overcome it "the same as if he had the urge toward petting or fornication or adultery."
"However, he also claimed that homosexual behavior can lead to sex with animals:

Sin in sex practices tends to have a "snowballing" effect. As the restraints fall away, Satan incites the carnal man to ever-deepening degeneracy in his search for excitement until in many instances he is lost to any former considerations of decency. Thus it is that through the ages, perhaps as an extension of homosexual practices, men and women have sunk even to seeking sexual satisfactions with animals.[53]"

"For example, in 1974, Kimball stated that "[e]very form of homosexuality is sin. Pornography is one of the approaches to that transgression."[65] Over half a decade later in a special message to all members of the church, Kimball stated that "[s]ometimes masturbation is the introduction to the more serious sins of exhibitionism and the gross sin of homosexuality."[66]"
"In 1978, Packer followed this up with "To the One", a sermon that was also published as a pamphlet, which characterized homosexual interaction as a perversion and presented the possibility that it had its roots in selfishness and could be cured with "unselfish thoughts, with unselfish acts"

You are full of shit Alla, you are a brainwashed idiot in a hateful oppressive cult.

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22-04-2016, 04:46 PM
RE: Mormons Declare War On Masturbation. Porn is apparently at epidemic levels in Utah.
(21-04-2016 12:08 PM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  If that is the logic, then why teach your children what is in your book? By definition, humans are imperfect, filthy, and prone to sin. If you never spread the idea of sin, you bypass hell. Just saying.Laugh out loadDrinking Beverage
Good question.
Those who keep Gods laws have many benefits in THIS life. Those who keep God's laws including law of chastity have much stronger families.
Why should I hide the knowledge that leads to more happiness?
More happiness/more benefits is always better than less happiness/less benefits.
P.S. Those who break God's laws are also going to be forgiven. They are not going to be in hell forever.

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