Most 'Darwinists' today are similarly religious to creationists.
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11-05-2013, 11:51 PM
RE: Most 'Darwinists' today are similarly religious to creationists.
(11-05-2013 11:47 PM)Spectral-Rothbardian Wrote:  
(11-05-2013 11:42 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  Laughat

You think "white" is a race. How cute.

You think race is a "social construct". How cute.

Actually I don't.

I think there are many ways to separate one another based on differences that are antiquated, archaic, and deliberately spread the separation of humankind from one another.

Go be racist somewhere else.

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11-05-2013, 11:54 PM
RE: Most 'Darwinists' today are similarly religious to creationists.
(11-05-2013 11:51 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  
(11-05-2013 11:47 PM)Spectral-Rothbardian Wrote:  You think race is a "social construct". How cute.

Actually I don't.

I think there are many ways to separate one another based on differences that are antiquated, archaic, and deliberately spread the separation of humankind from one another.

Go be racist somewhere else.

Your secular humanist egalitarian roots are showing.
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11-05-2013, 11:56 PM
RE: Most 'Darwinists' today are similarly religious to creationists.
This is why we can't have nice things.

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11-05-2013, 11:58 PM
RE: Most 'Darwinists' today are similarly religious to creationists.
(11-05-2013 11:54 PM)Spectral-Rothbardian Wrote:  
(11-05-2013 11:51 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  Actually I don't.

I think there are many ways to separate one another based on differences that are antiquated, archaic, and deliberately spread the separation of humankind from one another.

Go be racist somewhere else.

Your secular humanist egalitarian roots are showing.

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12-05-2013, 12:14 AM
Most 'Darwinists' today are similarly religious to creationists.
I suggest you at least to read a book:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0393314251...-1&pi=SL75

I realize its focus is on intellect but I still find it a good read.
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12-05-2013, 12:18 AM
RE: Most 'Darwinists' today are similarly religious to creationists.
(12-05-2013 12:14 AM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote:  I suggest you at least to read a book:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0393314251...-1&pi=SL75

I realize its focus is on intellect but I still find it a good read.

The writer of that book, Stephen Jay Gould is a fraud...

http://blogs.nature.com/news/2011/06/did...ge_hi.html

http://fringeelements.tumblr.com/post/10...ific-fraud
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12-05-2013, 12:30 AM
RE: Most 'Darwinists' today are similarly religious to creationists.
(11-05-2013 08:57 PM)Spectral-Rothbardian Wrote:  Creationists find ascribing human origins to evolution from apes to be repugnant. The thought of it makes them queasy, they cannot stand that idea, so they reject it. Instead, they consider the idea that God created us all equally in his image.

The (egalitarian) Darwinists of today find ascribing racial differences to evolution to be repugnant. The thought of it makes them queasy, they cannot stand that idea, so they reject it. Instead, they consider the idea that evolution distributed traits equally.

Both religious dogmas. The latter perhaps even more dishonest.

I don't think what you're presenting here are "dogmas", but rather "taboos". There are still plenty of things that "make scientists queasy", such as the idea of creationism itself. But rejection of an idea doesn't equate to being dogmatic about its falsity.

I'm curious, though... what about this scientific taboo is "perhaps even more dishonest" than the religious taboo of men descending from earlier apes? Is it even possible for one lie to be "more dishonest" than another lie?

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12-05-2013, 12:35 AM (This post was last modified: 12-05-2013 12:50 AM by Spectral-Rothbardian.)
RE: Most 'Darwinists' today are similarly religious to creationists.
(12-05-2013 12:30 AM)Starcrash Wrote:  I'm curious, though... what about this scientific taboo is "perhaps even more dishonest" than the religious taboo of men descending from earlier apes? Is it even possible for one lie to be "more dishonest" than another lie?

One group, creationists, is generally consistent with their beliefs. The other group, modern egalitarian "Darwinists", are not consistent with theirs - They accept evolution, but not to the full extent of its conclusions.
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12-05-2013, 12:49 AM
RE: Most 'Darwinists' today are similarly religious to creationists.
(12-05-2013 12:35 AM)Spectral-Rothbardian Wrote:  
(12-05-2013 12:30 AM)Starcrash Wrote:  I'm curious, though... what about this scientific taboo is "perhaps even more dishonest" than the religious taboo of men descending from earlier apes? Is it even possible for one lie to be "more dishonest" than another lie?

One group, creationists, is generally consistent with their beliefs. The other group, modern egalitarian "Darwinists", are not consistent with theirs - They accept evolution, but to the full extent of its conclusions.

Are they? Do all creationists believe in a literal seven-day creation? Do all creationists accept the story of a talking snake? Do they all believe that man was created in his present form?

But, even if we accept that all creationists are consistent, I still don't understand why that would make them "less dishonest" than "Darwinists". How many sects of "evolution believers" are there compared to different sects of Christianity? Is that really relevant when weighing the groups against each other? I personally don't think so. Consistency strikes me as a red herring.

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12-05-2013, 01:00 AM
RE: Most 'Darwinists' today are similarly religious to creationists.
(12-05-2013 12:49 AM)Starcrash Wrote:  
(12-05-2013 12:35 AM)Spectral-Rothbardian Wrote:  One group, creationists, is generally consistent with their beliefs. The other group, modern egalitarian "Darwinists", are not consistent with theirs - They accept evolution, but to the full extent of its conclusions.

Are they? Do all creationists believe in a literal seven-day creation? Do all creationists accept the story of a talking snake? Do they all believe that man was created in his present form?

But, even if we accept that all creationists are consistent, I still don't understand why that would make them "less dishonest" than "Darwinists". How many sects of "evolution believers" are there compared to different sects of Christianity? Is that really relevant when weighing the groups against each other? I personally don't think so. Consistency strikes me as a red herring.

The creationists I'm thinking of are types that go out of their way to argue for creationism. Yes, there may certainly be some inconsistency among them, but they all ultimately hold the position that God created man and we're all equal under him... blah blah blah.

Darwinists (or evolutionists) stridently fight against "religious dogma" that is in denial of reality, yet they themselves deny the full extent of their own science.
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