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19-06-2015, 11:30 AM
RE: Much Happier now that I'm an Atheist
(19-06-2015 05:21 AM)Chas Wrote:  Other than the eyewitness accounts? Consider

Paul had eyewitness accounts, too. Peter and James (brother of Jesus). Not to mention the eyewitnesses that were alive during the time Paul wrote 1Corinthians 15:3-7...but that kind of shit doesn't count, does it?

(19-06-2015 05:21 AM)Chas Wrote:  There is no reason to accept the veracity of a book of myths

You are begging the question, which is fallacious. You are assuming the Bible is a "book of myths", when every word in it COULD be true. Unless you can prove that the Resurrection (or anything else recorded in the book) is a myth, then you are making an unsupported assertion.

(19-06-2015 05:21 AM)Chas Wrote:  that is unsupported by external evidence.

You are erraenously concluding that the Bible needs to be "supported" by external sources. The Bible could be true regardless of whether or not it is backed up by any outside books or sources, and that is not even to say that there is no eternal evidence Big Grin

(19-06-2015 05:21 AM)Chas Wrote:  That you do speaks volumes about your gullibility and delusion.

I will leave you to your absurdities, good sir Thumbsup
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19-06-2015, 11:35 AM
RE: Much Happier now that I'm an Atheist
(19-06-2015 09:01 AM)ThatAtheistChick Wrote:  I used to hate it when I was having a debate with someone and I couldn't defend my position with anything except the bible tells me so. I'd have this big ole awkward silence which really meant, "I know I do not make a lick of sense right now." Being the only bible thumper in an atheist family, this happened often!

Not that there is anything necessarily wrong with "cus the bible tells me so", I mean after all, it is only the Word of the Living God *caps for emphasis*, of course Big GrinBig Grin
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19-06-2015, 02:46 PM
RE: Much Happier now that I'm an Atheist
(19-06-2015 11:35 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(19-06-2015 09:01 AM)ThatAtheistChick Wrote:  I used to hate it when I was having a debate with someone and I couldn't defend my position with anything except the bible tells me so. I'd have this big ole awkward silence which really meant, "I know I do not make a lick of sense right now." Being the only bible thumper in an atheist family, this happened often!

Not that there is anything necessarily wrong with "cus the bible tells me so", I mean after all, it is only the Word of the Living God *caps for emphasis*, of course Big GrinBig Grin

Prove it. Drinking Beverage

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19-06-2015, 03:50 PM
RE: Much Happier now that I'm an Atheist
(19-06-2015 02:46 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(19-06-2015 11:35 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  Not that there is anything necessarily wrong with "cus the bible tells me so", I mean after all, it is only the Word of the Living God *caps for emphasis*, of course Big GrinBig Grin

Prove it. Drinking Beverage

Instead of wasting your time responding to my quote above, I would have thought you would take some time and respond to my quotes at which I am exposing you for your absurdities.

Taking the easy way out?
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19-06-2015, 03:54 PM
RE: Much Happier now that I'm an Atheist
(19-06-2015 11:30 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(19-06-2015 05:21 AM)Chas Wrote:  Other than the eyewitness accounts? Consider

Paul had eyewitness accounts, too. Peter and James (brother of Jesus). Not to mention the eyewitnesses that were alive during the time Paul wrote 1Corinthians 15:3-7...but that kind of shit doesn't count, does it?

Paul was not contemporaneous - he was not an eyewitness. Peter? James? Is there a book of Peter or James?

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(19-06-2015 05:21 AM)Chas Wrote:  There is no reason to accept the veracity of a book of myths

You are begging the question, which is fallacious. You are assuming the Bible is a "book of myths", when every word in it COULD be true. Unless you can prove that the Resurrection (or anything else recorded in the book) is a myth, then you are making an unsupported assertion.

No, the conclusion follows from the lack of evidence and the absurd events described.

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(19-06-2015 05:21 AM)Chas Wrote:  that is unsupported by external evidence.

You are erraenously concluding that the Bible needs to be "supported" by external sources. The Bible could be true regardless of whether or not it is backed up by any outside books or sources, and that is not even to say that there is no eternal evidence Big Grin

Of course it needs to be supported to be accepted as true. Since it is not, it is just stories.

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(19-06-2015 05:21 AM)Chas Wrote:  That you do speaks volumes about your gullibility and delusion.

I will leave you to your absurdities, good sir Thumbsup

You believe that a book without any verification is true. That is absurd.

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19-06-2015, 03:55 PM (This post was last modified: 19-06-2015 04:01 PM by Chas.)
RE: Much Happier now that I'm an Atheist
(19-06-2015 03:50 PM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(19-06-2015 02:46 PM)Chas Wrote:  Prove it. Drinking Beverage

Instead of wasting your time responding to my quote above, I would have thought you would take some time and respond to my quotes at which I am exposing you for your absurdities.

Taking the easy way out?

Debunking your crap is the easy part and has been done repeatedly.

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19-06-2015, 03:58 PM (This post was last modified: 19-06-2015 04:05 PM by goodwithoutgod.)
RE: Much Happier now that I'm an Atheist
(19-06-2015 11:30 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(19-06-2015 05:21 AM)Chas Wrote:  Other than the eyewitness accounts? Consider

Paul had eyewitness accounts, too. Peter and James (brother of Jesus). Not to mention the eyewitnesses that were alive during the time Paul wrote 1Corinthians 15:3-7...but that kind of shit doesn't count, does it?

(19-06-2015 05:21 AM)Chas Wrote:  There is no reason to accept the veracity of a book of myths

You are begging the question, which is fallacious. You are assuming the Bible is a "book of myths", when every word in it COULD be true. Unless you can prove that the Resurrection (or anything else recorded in the book) is a myth, then you are making an unsupported assertion.

(19-06-2015 05:21 AM)Chas Wrote:  that is unsupported by external evidence.

You are erraenously concluding that the Bible needs to be "supported" by external sources. The Bible could be true regardless of whether or not it is backed up by any outside books or sources, and that is not even to say that there is no eternal evidence Big Grin

(19-06-2015 05:21 AM)Chas Wrote:  That you do speaks volumes about your gullibility and delusion.

I will leave you to your absurdities, good sir Thumbsup

Zero proof, what else you got? You still lurking here? Havent had your ass beaten and dragged around the schoolyard enough yet? Must like public humiliation.

Name one eyewitness account of jesus, just one....

The bible IS a book of myths. As I have schooled you before, if you remove the pseudepigrapha, allegorical stories, parables, fiction, fantasy, and forgery you wouldn't have much left. Exodus never happened, global flood never happened, moses never existed, noah never existed, jesus's alleged resurrection was never witnessed....an empty tomb does not a resurrection make. Keep up cartilage of the brain, you are slipping back even further with every ignorant, biased, misinformed, ineducable post you make.

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"The Christian community continues to exist because the conclusions of the critical study of the Bible are largely withheld from them." -Hans Conzelmann (1915-1989)
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19-06-2015, 06:22 PM
RE: Much Happier now that I'm an Atheist
(19-06-2015 03:54 PM)Chas Wrote:  Paul was not contemporaneous - he was not an eyewitness.

Paul was contemporary in the sense that he lived during the time of Jesus, despite having not met him...but that isn't the issue...I said that he met eyewitnesses of Jesus and the Resurrection account, two of which were Peter and James.

(19-06-2015 03:54 PM)Chas Wrote:  Peter? James? Is there a book of Peter or James?

Um, yeah...they are called the Books of 1 & 2 Peter, and the Book of James Laugh out load

(19-06-2015 03:54 PM)Chas Wrote:  No, the conclusion follows from the lack of evidence and the absurd events described.

The conclusion also follows from the lack of evidence in favor of evolution, and also the "absurd events" described by the theory, you know, the whole reptile-bird stuff..stuff that you never saw happened but claimed it did.

(19-06-2015 03:54 PM)Chas Wrote:  Of course it needs to be supported to be accepted as true. Since it is not, it is just stories.

Ok, and based on the evidence that has been presented to me, I think it is supported.

(19-06-2015 03:54 PM)Chas Wrote:  You believe that a book without any verification is true. That is absurd.

I believe based on historical evidence.
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19-06-2015, 06:35 PM
RE: Much Happier now that I'm an Atheist
Heyyy GWOG...long time, no ass whoopin, eh?

(19-06-2015 03:58 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  Zero proof, what else you got? You still lurking here?

I come back whenever the "urge" comes over me.

(19-06-2015 03:58 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  Havent had your ass beaten and dragged around the schoolyard enough yet? Must like public humiliation.

Man you couldn't beat your meat in a porn store Laugh out load

(19-06-2015 03:58 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  Name one eyewitness account of jesus, just one....

Paul, who lived during the time of Jesus AND the disciples, and met with Peter, apostle of Jesus, and James, brother of Jesus, met with eyewitness' of Jesus. I don't know how many times I have to say this, between you and Chas.

(19-06-2015 03:58 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  The bible IS a book of myths.

Unsupported assertion. Is Chas your understudy? You guys are the kings of unsupported assertions.

(19-06-2015 03:58 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  As I have schooled you before, if you remove the pseudepigrapha, allegorical stories, parables, fiction, fantasy, and forgery you wouldn't have much left. Exodus never happened, global flood never happened, moses never existed, noah never existed, jesus's alleged resurrection was never witnessed....an empty tomb does not a resurrection make. Keep up cartilage of the brain, you are slipping back even further with every ignorant, biased, misinformed, ineducable post you make.

More unsupported assertions, yayyy Thumbsup Tell ya what, GWOG...lets just take this stuff on a point by point basis...now which one of this topics or subtopics within the Resurrection realm would you like to get intellectually spanked on??

Go ahead, I am even letting you choose the topic. Am I a nice guy or what?
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19-06-2015, 06:39 PM
RE: Much Happier now that I'm an Atheist
(18-06-2015 05:26 PM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(17-06-2015 08:42 PM)Tonechaser77 Wrote:  Prove it! Prove that hell exists.

My belief in hell is based on the background information I have regarding the Historicity of the Resurrection, which affirms Christianity...and you already know how that goes Big Grin

Yabut.... Jesus was an outright "militant" Jew. He wouldn't even have believed in hell. Anything written in red text in the bible about Jesus' beliefs cannot be trusted by any means to be historically accurate, and if you claim that they can you are a fool.

The bible as we know it is nothing more than political propaganda and should be approached as such, whether or not a jewish preacher named Jesus really was killed thousands of years ago.

But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.

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