Murray Energy sues John Oliver (Yes, that John Oliver)
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10-08-2017, 12:01 AM
RE: Murray Energy sues John Oliver (Yes, that John Oliver)
(09-08-2017 07:44 PM)Airportkid Wrote:  The most important words in that superb ACLU brief are "... plaintiff sanctioned". If there were any sanctions levied in the long sequence of failed prior lawsuits they were obviously not enough. Perhaps there's a ceiling on such sanctions so they could never be enough, but if there is no ceiling, or the ceiling is beyond Murray's reach, I hope the court does all it can to cripple Murray financially, and in making sanction prohibits Murray from using his companies' coffers, or his companies' insurance policies to pay. A wretch like that should not be left in a position to be able to keep wreaking hell on people and institutions who can't defend themselves.

I wondered how any attorney would even attempt such an action and immediately realized that this lawsuit was not filed as a contingency case. Murray's lawyers get paid up front regardless of outcome. So long as they don't break any actual laws they'll happily represent Murray for any action Murray demands of them. You can be sure their contract with Murray makes it crystal clear Murray alone will bear all costs of any sanction. In the meantime Murray's loss of treasure paying their invoices helps everybody: it drains Murray, keeps the law offices solvent, and puts Murray's follies onto the public stage.

That guy who does the reading of the brief in the video though, he said that the Rule 11 sanctions would also apply to the attorneys? Maybe not in terms of monetary loss, but at least everyone will know that they're the kind of slimebags who'll take this kind of frivolous case?

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11-08-2017, 02:09 PM
RE: Murray Energy sues John Oliver (Yes, that John Oliver)
(22-06-2017 10:18 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  John Oliver, a giant squirrel and a defamation lawsuit by a coal industry titan

@ The Washington Post

“Last Week Tonight” host John Oliver knew he was inviting a legal battle when he used his show Sunday to lambaste one of the country’s largest coal mining companies and mock its chief executive.

But it had to be done, he said.

In a 24-minute segment on the decline of the coal industry and President Trump’s tenuous promises to bring it back, Oliver railed against the mining giant Murray Energy Corporation and chief executive Robert E. Murray, who has blamed the industry’s troubles on an “evil agenda” by President Barack Obama.

Before he got going, Oliver offered up a proviso. “I’m going to need to be careful here,” he said, “because when we contacted Murray Energy for this piece, they sent us a letter instructing us to ‘cease and desist from any effort to defame, harass, or otherwise injure Mr. Murray or Murray Energy,’ and telling us that ‘failure to do so will result in immediate litigation.’”

Then he tore into the 77-year-old coal magnate.

Murray was a “geriatric Dr. Evil,” he said, who mistreated his employees and tried to weaken coal safety regulations through litigation. He suggested Murray was “on the same side as black lung” and criticized his response to a deadly 2007 mine accident in Utah found to have been caused by safety violations.

He called up a satirical article in the United Mine Workers of America’s journal that described a squirrel hopping onto Murray’s porch and telling him, “You should be operating your very own mines” (the company said this was not, in fact, a true story).

Finally, in a stunt fit only for late night television, Oliver brought out a man in a giant squirrel costume and paraded him around the stage.

“Bob Murray, I didn’t really plan for so much of this piece to be about you, but you kinda forced my hand on that one,” Oliver said. “And I know you’re probably going to sue me over this. But, you know what? I stand by everything I said.”

On Wednesday, Murray did sue Oliver for defamation, along with HBO and Time Warner.

My mother's family were from Wales and worked in coal mining. One of the worst aspects of the industry is the fatalities associated with it. My grandmother's brother was killed at age 17 when he was run over by a coal wagon. The stats are pretty brutal:

One of the most horrific news stories when I was growing up was the Aberfan disaster. A school full of children buried under coal waste.

My ex-wife's family were from nearby. It's not a good job. It's one of the nastiest industries to work in or live near.
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11-08-2017, 02:18 PM
RE: Murray Energy sues John Oliver (Yes, that John Oliver)
(23-06-2017 12:03 AM)morondog Wrote:  I have a question: this lawsuit will hopefully go nowhere as it's frivolous right? So... these legal costs, that only big companies can afford to pay... does that essentially mean that if you're rich you just sue poor people who have a complaint, because they won't afford the legal costs regardless if they're in the right? IOW this Murray fuckhead's way of shutting down dissent is to sue people without just cause? There's only justice for people who can afford the legal costs?

Anyone can sue anyone. It's very common for lawyers to issue vexatious lawsuits. Even lawsuits which are wildly speculative have a commericial value because corporations are duty bound to do the maths and weigh up the chances of the lawsuit succeeding, so almost every lawsuit is amenable to settlement for some small amount, even if the amount is tiny compared to what is claimed. Few corporate defendants will stand on principle and risk losing a claim and paying out enormous court costs.

It's more common to see poor people suing corporations on a contingency basis than for corporations to start up vexations and bogus lawsuits. Where this case is different is that this is a company owned and operated by one man rather than a board of directors. His legal bill will cripple him and I'm sure John Oliver's and HBO's lawyers have vetted his material and were happy to give him the go ahead because big media corporations have libel insurance which pay out if they lose.

John Oliver has baited this guy to bankrupt him with costs. Watch this space.
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11-08-2017, 03:12 PM
RE: Murray Energy sues John Oliver (Yes, that John Oliver)
(11-08-2017 02:18 PM)Deltabravo Wrote:  John Oliver has baited this guy to bankrupt him with costs. Watch this space.

They're playing right along with him. Is this a public company? Do they have shareholders or a board of directors to staunch the bleeding?

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