Musings on the Future of Gun Control
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29-07-2017, 02:57 AM
RE: Musings on the Future of Gun Control
(28-07-2017 09:10 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  So as many of you are aware I'm rather big fan of both Warhammer 40K and Warhammer Fantasy. I've been painting and playing both games for over a decade now and I really enjoy both settings.
This afternoon I had a conversation with my brother, who is also an avid fan, about the future of Games Workshop the company that designs and sells the miniatures the main topic of conversation being what the hell GW is going to do when 3D printers become dirt cheap, as good as GW's own production methods, and common place.

What we were saying is that once everyone can print out an army for a 10th of the cost, the same quality, and do it with nothing but a household 3D printer and an internet connection their ENTIRE business model collapses. What do they do? Do they just die off taking their IP with them? Do they stop selling models and just start selling hard coded 3D files themselves? They are about to find themselves in a really interesting position.

And that brings me to the point I wanna talk about namely: Ghost Guns. Now if you are not familiar with Ghosts guns they are basically guns you build yourself, they have no serial numbers, they are impossible to track, you can build one if you have a criminal record and there is no way at all to know how many there are, and you can do it in your basement so you never need to go to a dealer. It's also really really easy and cheap to do. Have a look at this short piece from Wired.





So what interests me is kinda the same thing that interested me about the Warhammer stuff: What happens to gun manufacturing companies when anyone can print out the components of a guy with just an advanced 3D printer and an internet connection? Do they shutter their stores, do they start selling 3D files and just using profits for R&D? It's kinda interesting to me.

More importantly though if say in 10 years any person can print out a fully functioning gun that can't be tracked or traced how does that affect gun control as most people talk about it when you don't' need to go to a dealer and you can just make one in an afternoon in your living room and there is no way for the government to know you even have one?

What do you guys think about the future of gun control in an America with 3D printed guns? Is it just a losing proposition int he long run? Will gun control still be a major political platform in 10 years when the ability to enforce it just vanishes?

Interesting dilemma Imo in the USA I think the only recourse would be to make every legal gunowner have an ammunition licence they have to show when buying rounds and ban the use of equipment for making your own rounds and internet sales. I don't think it would be practical or even workable but you did ask. Wink
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29-07-2017, 04:57 AM
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(28-07-2017 10:19 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  Being that printed guns will be using plastic for heat- and stress-critical items, I'm not sure they'll be terribly useful. A plastic soft enough for a 3-D printer to carve is probably not going to be able to withstand the rigors of much firing.

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29-07-2017, 06:22 AM
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Another example of people looking for solutions to things that aren't a problem.

First off --- there is no federal tracking of any guns in the US past point of retail sale - except submachine and machine guns. If you want to argue there is, I suggest you clam up, because you don't know what you're talking about. The 4473 form you fill out at purchase is maintained for a minimum of 10 years by the FFL holder. It or copies of it are not sent to the feds. The NICS check you undergo does not give the fedfs any info on the firearm being purchased except for " handgun or longun". No model, make or serial number is given. After 10 years the 4473 form is usually destroyed.

Secondly - building firearms isn't very difficult. Any decent machinist or hobbyist is capable - given time. Add enough profit motive, it's likely. Ironically - the simplest repeating firearm to scratch build is a submachine gun - as it has fewer parts than any other repeating firearm. It would be much easier to build a sub gun, than a revolver.

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29-07-2017, 01:23 PM
RE: Musings on the Future of Gun Control
(29-07-2017 12:07 AM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  
(28-07-2017 10:19 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  Being that printed guns will be using plastic for heat- and stress-critical items, I'm not sure they'll be terribly useful. A plastic soft enough for a 3-D printer to carve is probably not going to be able to withstand the rigors of much firing.

I've watched a guy build an AR-15 lower receiver out of thicker reinforced platic and metal bolts and it fired surprisingly well after a bit of tinkering. Was interesting, to say the least.

I watched a show on this issue a few years ago, and the guns did indeed fire. They didn't last long, though.

I'm no gun expert, nor am I techno-geek, so it's entirely possible that stronger plastics have been developed, and used in hybrid builds (as you mention above).
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29-07-2017, 01:30 PM
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30-07-2017, 08:37 AM
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I thought racial profiling was illegal?

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Apparently not in the US...

"Recently, New South Wales Greens Member of Parliament Mehreen Faruqi and her husband were entering the US through Los Angeles Airport. Unlike other passengers on the flight, Faruqi, a Pakistani-born Australian, and her husband were questioned for almost an hour about their previous travel and how they obtained their Australian passports. While US authorities allege that Ms Faruqi was selected for additional processing on the basis of random selection, the facts at hand point to something different."

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30-07-2017, 08:43 AM
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(28-07-2017 10:57 PM)unsapien Wrote:  Also printer (3D or otherwise) connected to the internet...NOT untraceable.

I don't need to connect my 3D printer to the internet. USB stick will work to transfer models.

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30-07-2017, 04:24 PM
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(30-07-2017 08:43 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(28-07-2017 10:57 PM)unsapien Wrote:  Also printer (3D or otherwise) connected to the internet...NOT untraceable.

I don't need to connect my 3D printer to the internet. USB stick will work to transfer models.

Could not the provenance be embedded in the DL, saved to your thumbdrive, and still show up? Doesn't seem that much of an issue.
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30-07-2017, 08:05 PM
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(30-07-2017 08:43 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(28-07-2017 10:57 PM)unsapien Wrote:  Also printer (3D or otherwise) connected to the internet...NOT untraceable.

I don't need to connect my 3D printer to the internet. USB stick will work to transfer models.

Don't need to. The wifi from the microwave oven will report the pertinent information to the proper authorities. Drinking Beverage




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30-07-2017, 08:09 PM
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(30-07-2017 04:24 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  
(30-07-2017 08:43 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  I don't need to connect my 3D printer to the internet. USB stick will work to transfer models.

Could not the provenance be embedded in the DL, saved to your thumbdrive, and still show up? Doesn't seem that much of an issue.

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