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13-07-2016, 02:16 PM
RE: Muslim girl compares Switzerland to Saudi Arabia
(13-07-2016 11:50 AM)Rahn127 Wrote:  Covering your face, obscuring your vision and concealing your identity can't be good if you want your society to flourish.
But that's the person's choice. If they wear a burqa they will struggle to interact in meaningful ways with other people in society. They will struggle to develop ongoing relationships.

But it is their choice.

A person who smells, or dresses as a punk, or has tattoos on their face may also struggle to fit in with society. That doesn't mean we should save them from themselves by making this illegal.
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13-07-2016, 02:18 PM
RE: Muslim girl compares Switzerland to Saudi Arabia
(13-07-2016 07:12 AM)Chas Wrote:  Anyone demanding to see the face of a Muslim woman wearing a burqa would be violating her religion and religious freedom.
This would be murderously offensive. Drinking Beverage
One would hope, that if a police officer demands to see the woman's face that the police officer has justifiable cause to do so.

Just because a person is in a burqa or is black, doesn't mean they should be stopped and questioned by police.
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13-07-2016, 02:25 PM
RE: Muslim girl compares Switzerland to Saudi Arabia
(13-07-2016 02:13 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(13-07-2016 06:24 AM)Chas Wrote:  For bullet number 1, what is the negative effect on public safety of someone who has passed background checks carrying a firearm?
Guns get stolen or inherited or on-sold.
People get mad, change from being stable to being crazy.
People's situations change, they can go from financially OK, to financially desperate.

With regards to burqa, it's just a peice of cloth. Doesn't matter if it falls into the "wrong" hands.

You once again make a rather pointless argument. I'm not comparing this with, or arguing about, guns.

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13-07-2016, 02:29 PM
RE: Muslim girl compares Switzerland to Saudi Arabia
(13-07-2016 01:04 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(13-07-2016 12:07 PM)Chas Wrote:  You missed my point.

The burqa is a religious requirement and showing one's face would violate the purpose for wearing it.

Functional face covering doesn't have that problem.

... The girl in the case doesn't have a problem showing her face for identification, she refuses to not wear the garment at all. Regardless of whether it violates the purpose of wearing it, she's prepared to do so. Why is it that she must be forced to conform? The face covering has a function, for her. Why is her desire to cover her face invalid?

I didn't say her desire was invalid. People feel what they feel and believe what they believe.

Do you think that people can wear whatever they want without restriction?

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13-07-2016, 02:36 PM
RE: Muslim girl compares Switzerland to Saudi Arabia
(08-07-2016 08:09 AM)izel Wrote:  [Image: OM5WE3.jpg]

This stupid girl is confusing the difference between social safety in the eyes of the law and religious decree from a guy who developed a women hating cult.

Selling it as social safety is a lie. It's like when Republicans try and sell voter ID, for the sake of preventing voter fraud.

Here's the word of the man who proposed the law:

"Georgio Ghiringhelli, who proposed the law, said the ruling would send a message to "Islamic fundamentalists" in the country.

"Those who want to integrate are welcome, irrespective of their religion, but those who rebuff our values and aim to build a parallel society based on religious laws, and want to place it over our society, are not welcome," he said."

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13-07-2016, 02:40 PM
RE: Muslim girl compares Switzerland to Saudi Arabia
(13-07-2016 02:25 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(13-07-2016 02:13 PM)Stevil Wrote:  Guns get stolen or inherited or on-sold.
People get mad, change from being stable to being crazy.
People's situations change, they can go from financially OK, to financially desperate.

With regards to burqa, it's just a peice of cloth. Doesn't matter if it falls into the "wrong" hands.

You once again make a rather pointless argument. I'm not comparing this with, or arguing about, guns.
Once again, I am merely addressing a question or a concern that someone has posted.

The concern was with regards to guns, I tried to turn it back to the topic of burqas.
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13-07-2016, 02:53 PM
RE: Muslim girl compares Switzerland to Saudi Arabia
(13-07-2016 02:36 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(08-07-2016 08:09 AM)izel Wrote:  [Image: OM5WE3.jpg]

This stupid girl is confusing the difference between social safety in the eyes of the law and religious decree from a guy who developed a women hating cult.

Selling it as social safety is a lie. It's like when Republicans try and sell voter ID, for the sake of preventing voter fraud.

Here's the word of the man who proposed the law:

"Georgio Ghiringhelli, who proposed the law, said the ruling would send a message to "Islamic fundamentalists" in the country.

"Those who want to integrate are welcome, irrespective of their religion, but those who rebuff our values and aim to build a parallel society based on religious laws, and want to place it over our society, are not welcome," he said."

Do you actually think having "a parallel society based on religious laws" is safe? Consider

America is "the great melting pot"; cultural integration is what it does.

As for the Swiss, they have the right of self-determination and can make whatever rules they want - it's their country.
Islamic states can make whatever religio-legal rules they want. What they can't do is impose those on other cultures.

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13-07-2016, 03:05 PM
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(13-07-2016 02:36 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  It's like when Republicans try and sell voter ID, for the sake of preventing voter fraud.

That is such bullshit. What is the problem with someone having to produce ID to be able to vote? First of all you have to be a certain age to vote. Let's just start there...shouldn't you have to prove you are of that age? I would certainly think so.

People want the privilege of being able to vote but are going to bitch because they need to prove that they are a)old enough, b)meet residency requirements, c)have not lost their right to vote due to criminal actions.

Anyone who won't get a valid US ID, and thereby follow the rules for voting, don't care enough to be able to exercise their right to vote.

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13-07-2016, 03:27 PM
RE: Muslim girl compares Switzerland to Saudi Arabia
(13-07-2016 03:05 PM)Anjele Wrote:  
(13-07-2016 02:36 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  It's like when Republicans try and sell voter ID, for the sake of preventing voter fraud.

That is such bullshit. What is the problem with someone having to produce ID to be able to vote? First of all you have to be a certain age to vote. Let's just start there...shouldn't you have to prove you are of that age? I would certainly think so.

People want the privilege of being able to vote but are going to bitch because they need to prove that they are a)old enough, b)meet residency requirements, c)have not lost their right to vote due to criminal actions.

Anyone who won't get a valid US ID, and thereby follow the rules for voting, don't care enough to be able to exercise their right to vote.

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13-07-2016, 03:41 PM (This post was last modified: 13-07-2016 06:51 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Muslim girl compares Switzerland to Saudi Arabia
(13-07-2016 03:05 PM)Anjele Wrote:  
(13-07-2016 02:36 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  It's like when Republicans try and sell voter ID, for the sake of preventing voter fraud.

That is such bullshit. What is the problem with someone having to produce ID to be able to vote? First of all you have to be a certain age to vote. Let's just start there...shouldn't you have to prove you are of that age? I would certainly think so.

People want the privilege of being able to vote but are going to bitch because they need to prove that they are a)old enough, b)meet residency requirements, c)have not lost their right to vote due to criminal actions.

Anyone who won't get a valid US ID, and thereby follow the rules for voting, don't care enough to be able to exercise their right to vote.

The problem is what constitutes a valid ID? In the Religiously Batshit Insane Republic of Texas college students who have established residence in the State through living there long enough to meet the residency requirement and have registered to vote can't use their student ID? You can however present a gun permit and be allowed to vote. I think every student in the Texas University system should go out and get a gun permit.

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