My Aunt Cathy vs. The Poor
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18-07-2015, 12:45 PM
RE: My Aunt Cathy vs. The Poor
Minimalist - I had seen one picture that showed Jesus with the Multitude, saying "NO! If I give you all loaves and fishes you'll just become dependent", but I couldn't find it, or I'd have put that one up.

I was very tempted to put this one up, though:

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18-07-2015, 02:26 PM
RE: My Aunt Cathy vs. The Poor
(18-07-2015 12:34 PM)Szuchow Wrote:  
(18-07-2015 12:21 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  I said "read the article" because it was about how the people on welfare typically ARE working those shitty jobs you talk about but (at least in America) it's still not enough to survive on. Yet people keeeeeeeep saying "Well I work", as though they don't. It's that part of the myth that I can't understand, not only that it exists but that it's so resistant to counter-evidence.

Here you can survive (not much else though) on shitty jobs. Though definition of shitty job and thus payment for it may wary from region to region and part of pay is under the table in some places.

I'm not surprised by this myth being resistant to counter-evidence, it's kinda hard to believe that one can't survive on his pay. Survive not lead a good life. And, well it's not about evidence but belief I think; some may preffer to think that those on welfare are lazy and if that's the case then no ammount of evidence will overcome said belief.

Part of the problem in the US is that the costs of necessities like housing, food, and healthcare have far outpaced the minimum wage. Costs of things like clothing, electronics, appliances have decreased relative to income. So it's perfectly possible here to work full-time and more at a minimum wage job and not be able to afford groceries, rent, and electricity, plus transportation to your job. When I entered the workforce costs of necessities were not as misaligned as they are today. My first apartment--a large studio in a decent neighborhood in Chicago, heat included--cost $250/month. The minimum wage was something like $3-4/hour at that point. 30 years later, the minimum wage is not even 3x as much as it was at that time, but that studio apartment costs at least 8x as much today and probably has been turned into a condo and now has a monthly assessment fee that's more than the rent I paid, back in the day.

The belief that people less fortunate have done something to deserve it (laziness, etc.) is widespread. IMO it's magical thinking, as well--if poverty only generally happens to lazy or entitled people, there's no way it can happen to us. Sadly a lot of us are only one really bad year or two (or month or two, in many cases) from finding out how false this opinion is.
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18-07-2015, 02:56 PM
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(18-07-2015 02:26 PM)julep Wrote:  
(18-07-2015 12:34 PM)Szuchow Wrote:  Here you can survive (not much else though) on shitty jobs. Though definition of shitty job and thus payment for it may wary from region to region and part of pay is under the table in some places.

I'm not surprised by this myth being resistant to counter-evidence, it's kinda hard to believe that one can't survive on his pay. Survive not lead a good life. And, well it's not about evidence but belief I think; some may preffer to think that those on welfare are lazy and if that's the case then no ammount of evidence will overcome said belief.

Part of the problem in the US is that the costs of necessities like housing, food, and healthcare have far outpaced the minimum wage. Costs of things like clothing, electronics, appliances have decreased relative to income. So it's perfectly possible here to work full-time and more at a minimum wage job and not be able to afford groceries, rent, and electricity, plus transportation to your job. When I entered the workforce costs of necessities were not as misaligned as they are today. My first apartment--a large studio in a decent neighborhood in Chicago, heat included--cost $250/month. The minimum wage was something like $3-4/hour at that point. 30 years later, the minimum wage is not even 3x as much as it was at that time, but that studio apartment costs at least 8x as much today and probably has been turned into a condo and now has a monthly assessment fee that's more than the rent I paid, back in the day.

It's indeed troubling. And that's all I can say at this topic as I'm not really aware or interested in situation in USA.

(18-07-2015 02:26 PM)julep Wrote:  The belief that people less fortunate have done something to deserve it (laziness, etc.) is widespread. IMO it's magical thinking, as well--if poverty only generally happens to lazy or entitled people, there's no way it can happen to us. Sadly a lot of us are only one really bad year or two (or month or two, in many cases) from finding out how false this opinion is.

Agreed. Such thinking also can be sometimes seen when people are discusing rape cases - she was wearing revealing clothes, etc.

It could be not only widespread but deeply rooted for it mayb be comforting to believe that whatever befals someone is that person fault, so others are safe.

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18-07-2015, 03:12 PM
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My mother was a recipient of food stamps and medicaid because she was a single mother and going to school at the same time that she gave birth to me. She used that time she would have been working to teach me how to read at the age of two and a half. I now attend what many consider to be the most prestigious public university in my entire state and hold a title with an up and coming gay rights/HIV patients rights 501c3 activist group in New York City, which will likely net me a paying job if I continue to stay with them.

I am living proof that welfare works. If she had to work while caring for me, I would likely not be able to do what I do. My ability to read, understand, and absorb knowledge at the rate which I currently do is credited almost entirely to my mother's intervention.

Also,

"...there was a time when we struggled to pay for my $2,500 injections i needed every month."

So because you had to go through struggling to pay bills in order to live, everyone should? What a very selfish and self-centered way to think. This idea of "I felt miserable when I struggled, so everyone should," is contrary to our advancement as a species. Does she know what empathy is?
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18-07-2015, 05:19 PM
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Something like this?

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18-07-2015, 05:21 PM
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Smack your aunt with this.

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18-07-2015, 05:31 PM
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Rock the fuck on, Minimalist! Big Grin

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18-07-2015, 08:41 PM
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My friends just call me "Min."

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22-10-2015, 04:51 AM
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The old, Thats how I "feel" argument. which is not a fucking argument.

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22-10-2015, 05:15 AM
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Watch out, Cathy is on a necroposting spree! Gasp

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