My Mother-In-Law and the Illuminati
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11-12-2016, 06:40 AM
RE: My Mother-In-Law and the Illuminati
Secret societies like your mom's make life more exciting (everything's a cosmic battle between forces of good and evil), enhance one's sense of self worth (your mom's on the "good" side, she knows stuff that ordinary people don't know, so she must be special), provide a tribe (we love our tribes), and also provide a sense of control in an uncertain world, like all rituals and belief systems do.

Is your mom's set of crazy beliefs dangerous, that is, is it putting her or her loved ones at risk financially or physically? Probably not, but if you're worried, you might ask her for more information so that you can check it out.

The world's full of people who think their prayers have been answered, or that they have successfully cast magic spells. My father, for one, thinks he's cast out demons who've possessed people. IMO it's all pattern-seeking and placebo effect, but I'm open to being corrected, if any of the claims can survive a thorough scientific investigation. So far, to my knowledge, this hasn't been the case.
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11-12-2016, 07:04 AM
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I would dismiss the illuminati thing as they died out about 200 years ago her secret society is most likely either a Wiccan type coven or a confabulation / fantasy to make herself seem mysterious and ethereal, fantasists frequently do this as it fulfils a deep seated psychological need.
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11-12-2016, 07:41 AM
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(10-12-2016 05:38 PM)Larai19 Wrote:  I, being curious, pester her as to what she means and she basically tells me that she joined a secret group at the age of sixteen and she swore an oath not to reveal too much about the organization. I, then asked her how she was convinced that the organization is correct and she tells me that she, herself, used incantation to conjure things.

Your MIL sounds like she needs some guidance in critical thinking and skepticism.

The first point I'd make is that since I'm not part of this "secret group" and don't have the information I can't evaluate it or consider it as part of what I believe. I may trust that she is saying what she believes to be true but I have no way to independently verify that she has not been misled somehow. It is generally unwise to take any claim on a "trust me" basis.

The second thing would be to get examples of what "things" she has conjured and how she determined that they were the result of her "conjuring" and not just coincidence or the result of other actions. Then, if she still think is true it's time for some testing to let her demonstrate to you that she really does have some special ability or knowledge.

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11-12-2016, 10:26 AM
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(10-12-2016 05:38 PM)Larai19 Wrote:  [...] How can people of sound mind be so convinced that they have experienced supernatural things? Also, what should I make of this all?

The fact some of the world's top scientists believe in a god partially answers this.

—And just ignore your MIL's apparent flights of fancy LOL.

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11-12-2016, 02:45 PM
RE: My Mother-In-Law and the Illuminati
Your Ma's in the Rotary Club?

Don't let those gnomes and their illusions get you down. They're just gnomes and illusions.

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11-12-2016, 06:03 PM
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(10-12-2016 11:20 PM)Larai19 Wrote:  @Paleophyte

XD I'm guessing you don't believe in the "secret knowledge" then?

Given what you know of your other in law, would you have granted her secret reality-changing knowledge? She doesn't seem terribly concerned with keeping it secret.

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11-12-2016, 06:05 PM
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And any excuse for:




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12-12-2016, 11:40 PM
RE: My Mother-In-Law and the Illuminati
"Ladies and gentlemen, I have seen the Illuminati... and it is us."
--Richard Metzger

Don't let those gnomes and their illusions get you down. They're just gnomes and illusions.

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12-12-2016, 11:56 PM
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If she wants to convince you that something is true, then secret knowledge isn't gonna cut it. Why is it a secret in the first place? Is it so super dangerous that it can't be known to all, but still it's important that you as a non-member of the secret society must believe it? I think you just smile and nod and say "OK" and move on. And don't leave her alone with any object sharper than a brick.

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13-12-2016, 03:08 AM
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Ask for proof, if she cant provide it, ask her how she expects you to believe her.

If she asks you to trust her that its true, tell her you cant trust someone who keeps secrets, especially ones that might be better for society/truth.

If she keeps going on about it, tell her straight, that your not interested unless she can provide proof.

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