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28-12-2014, 07:26 AM (This post was last modified: 28-12-2014 07:58 AM by Tomasia.)
My Wife the Believer
Atheists tend to believe that the evidence for God is so inadequate, while someone such as my wife believes God's existence is incredibly obvious to her. Yet, if one were to ask her for some scientific evidence, the sort with clearly defined terminology, quantifiable, can be tested and reproduced under highly controlled experimental conditions etc.., she would be empty handed.

We talked about this, the other morning. My wife unlike myself isn't as infatuated with religious questions; her theology is relatively absent. She hasn't devoted herself to articulating her beliefs and reasons, but she has a deep and heartfelt belief in God, a God whose existence is so obvious to her, so abundant for her, that you'd have an easier time getting the sun to stand still, than to take it from her.

The reason why she believes, is based on the transformative role her religious beliefs have had on her life, that the God she believes in existed so intimately to her, that she could pray as if she was speaking to a close friend, to one who saw her clearly and fully unlike any other.

Or in other words the heart of her belief is based on her subjective exploration of her life, not some removed objective calculation. She perceives the light of God in these effects, how they have humbled her, made her whole, and given her life a sacred and profound sense of value.

To this, an unbeliever will likely tell her that she shouldn't put much weight on her subjective evaluations and experiences, because the way we see it those experiences are incredibily unreliable, and you shouldn't have such trust in yourself, particularly in regards to such a huge question such as God. They likely would suggest she wait to hold judgement, until evidence comes about that scientist can transfer to a lab and evaluate, and confirm God's existence, the way they match a person to his DNA, or gauge the age of the Earth.

To this, she will not be moved.
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28-12-2014, 07:32 AM
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cool story bro

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28-12-2014, 07:32 AM
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So the tl,dr version is that she's unintelligent. Tongue

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28-12-2014, 07:32 AM
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I am sorry.

I think i should go and sleep off some of that christmas scotch in my system.

I opend the thread because I mistakenly read "My wife beats me"

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28-12-2014, 07:38 AM
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Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

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28-12-2014, 07:38 AM (This post was last modified: 28-12-2014 07:44 AM by Tomasia.)
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28-12-2014, 07:39 AM
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(28-12-2014 07:26 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  To this, an unbeliever will likely tell her that she shouldn't put much weight on her subjective evaluations and experiences, because the way we see it those experiences are incredibily unreliable, and you shouldn't have such trust in yourself, particularly in regards to such a huge question such as God.

This unbeliever would never say that, at least not in any way like that. I'd say that those experiences are an intimate part of the human experience but that she is misattributing the reason for them. The experience is real, and valuable, but there's no reason to think that it demonstrates the existence of a god.

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28-12-2014, 07:40 AM
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I believe in invisible pink unicornns

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28-12-2014, 07:44 AM
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(28-12-2014 07:39 AM)unfogged Wrote:  The experience is real, and valuable, but there's no reason to think that it demonstrates the existence of a god.

Why is that?
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28-12-2014, 07:44 AM
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(28-12-2014 07:32 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  So the tl,dr version is that she's unintelligent. Tongue

No, I think she's quite wise, and it's us who are foolish.

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