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28-12-2014, 09:05 AM
RE: My Wife the Believer
(28-12-2014 08:59 AM)devilsadvoc8 Wrote:  What was the point of the OP?

I'm guess it was supposed to be a "Yeah, well it makes (us) feel good" sort of statement.

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28-12-2014, 09:09 AM
RE: My Wife the Believer
(28-12-2014 08:59 AM)devilsadvoc8 Wrote:  What was the point of the OP?

To convert the non-believing hordes through the power of testimony, and if that doesn't work than through the sword. j/k

I copied and pasted the OP from a response to someone else, somewhere else. It arose from a preceding dialogue.

Initially I thought of readapting the whole thing as a single forum post, for the sake of creating some sort of structured discussion about the various questions it raises, but in the end I decided against it, and just kept it in its original form.

Whatever discussion arise from it, so be it, whatever doesn't so be it as well.
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28-12-2014, 09:10 AM
RE: My Wife the Believer
(28-12-2014 08:47 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  I read an interview with Cormac McCarthy, when speaking of his scientist friends at the Santa Fe Institute, who say "It's really more important to be good than it is to be smart." I couldn't agree more. The question is do you?

do what thou wilt is the extent of the law

Traced that from Crowley to Augustine with the help of Kathy Reichs, of Bones fame, because I've long felt that's all that need be said of law. My questioning led to Gwynnite from god, as my theology cannot be separate from my absurd affair with Gwyneth Paltrow. Gwynnite must be an evolutionary based faith, where moments of grace accrue from balance between me and my environment. Where John Cantor daily is merely the line between points.

Essentially leaving no theology to preach.

As to the other thing, being intelligent is a pain in the ass; leaving one obvious option.

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28-12-2014, 09:10 AM
RE: My Wife the Believer
(28-12-2014 08:59 AM)devilsadvoc8 Wrote:  What was the point of the OP?

"My wife's better than yours" ?

OP: Bully for your wife and well done to her. She's happy and couldn't give a stuff about theology - I think she's better off than you. Not everyone has the time and inclination to explore this bullshit and as long as she can live with it, why not? But for those of us who've made our own inquiry and found religion wanting I see no reason why your wife's lack of self-reflection should have any relevance to us.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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28-12-2014, 09:11 AM
RE: My Wife the Believer
Two questions spring to mind...

1. Paint the picture for us, if you will... how would her behaviour change if her comfort blanket was taken away from her? I invite you to speculate.

2. Why did you marry her? I'm assuming that her delusional state was prenuptial, of course.

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28-12-2014, 09:23 AM
RE: My Wife the Believer
(28-12-2014 08:59 AM)devilsadvoc8 Wrote:  What was the point of the OP?

Someone makes noise, we make noise back.

Isn't that the point of all OP?

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28-12-2014, 09:41 AM
RE: My Wife the Believer
(28-12-2014 08:05 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  And why do you pursue philosophical foundations?

If the pursuit of knowledge is a means to an end, such as a fuller and meaningful existence. Is the person who embodies that end, wiser than those left still pursuing the means?

I think the adage "it's not the destination but the journey" applies here.

I've come to be totally content in the quest for truth and, as I write this thinking about it, I hope I'm never completely satisfied, that I never find all the answers.

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28-12-2014, 09:59 AM
RE: My Wife the Believer
(28-12-2014 09:11 AM)DLJ Wrote:  1. Paint the picture for us, if you will... how would her behaviour change if her comfort blanket was taken away from her? I invite you to speculate.

I don't know. It's hard for me to imagine how she would reinterpret her life in such a radically different way.

She would have to acquire new beliefs, like along the lines of those suggested here, a new found trust and confidence and sole reliance on the scientific establishment, acquire a general mistrust of her own subjective evaluations. She would have to impenetrable to my own charm and graces.

She would likely talk incessantly about the arguments found in the God Delusion, and I would likely end up living with the ghost of all atheists forums past and present, day in and day out, on repeat, and only absent when we sleep. As a result she would become a shell of the woman I once knew, and be someone entirely else, an alien that came over and occupied her body, but her soul absent.

I'd likely end up going to the nearest police office, and informing them that my wife's body has been occupied by alien forces. That this woman back at home is not her, and that I have no idea who she is, but it's not my wife, though she sounds and looks just like her.

As a result, I'll end up living my day in the mental hospital, defending my innocence, while that alien back home, would be cluttering my Netflix feed with the Cosmos, and Science videos, and eating all my pomegranates, which she hated, but aliens from what I hear love.

Quote:Why did you marry her? I'm assuming that her delusional state was prenuptial, of course.

Well, we were friends for awhile prior to getting married. And I recall one day she dragged me to a homeless shelter, where she would feed these folks who reeked of urine and sweat. We had to sit with them at the table, and break bread with them, and I was too awkward to pray before we ate, so she did. And when she prayed, she prayed with such care and such compassion for these filthy bums, that she wept, piercing my own indifference.

I knew then, that if this rare beauty she held within her, was not mine, that I'd be insanely jealous of the one who did. Here she was so attuned to life and beauty, that I could only seek but never find. Here she was possessing what a man would give his entire life for.
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28-12-2014, 10:15 AM
RE: My Wife the Believer
(28-12-2014 09:09 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  I copied and pasted the OP from a response to someone else, somewhere else. It arose from a preceding dialogue.

Oh, really? Darn, I was just about to praise you profusely for an excellent post.

(28-12-2014 09:09 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  Whatever discussion arise from it, so be it, whatever doesn't so be it as well.

Well, ok, agreed. You brought this piece of writing to our attention, praise restored, it doesn't matter who wrote it.

I thought the OP was a beautiful piece of writing that did a lot to help reveal the different ways there are to be a human being. I can't equal it, but can share a similar story.

I'm a "lives in his head" kinda person (probably like most of you), while my wife is a "lives in her heart" kinda person. Neither of us are religious, though as a head person I am intensely philosophical.

It's very helpful for me to live with someone who is intelligent, but entirely non-philosophical. An eye opener.

She couldn't debate these topics, or even write a relevant post here to save her life. And it doesn't matter a single bit.

She's wiser than I am, more together, generally happier, more fun loving, a better friend, a more successful human being overall, all completely without any need at all for big ideas, conceptual analysis, philosophy and all of that. All of that fancy head stuff, completely unnecessary.

Intellectualism can be a religion of sorts. Quite fun sometimes for those of us born to it, addicted to it, but no where near as useful as it often feels to be.
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28-12-2014, 10:20 AM
RE: My Wife the Believer
(28-12-2014 10:15 AM)Baba Bozo Wrote:  
(28-12-2014 09:09 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  I copied and pasted the OP from a response to someone else, somewhere else. It arose from a preceding dialogue.

Oh, really? Darn, I was just about to praise you profusely for an excellent post.

(28-12-2014 09:09 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  Whatever discussion arise from it, so be it, whatever doesn't so be it as well.

Well, ok, agreed. You brought this piece of writing to our attention, praise restored, it doesn't matter who wrote it.

lol, just to clarify I did write it, and I was in fact speaking of my own wife.

I just wrote it in reply to someone else, in another forum, and copy and pasted my response here absent of the context of the previous forum in which my response arose.
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