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10-09-2016, 08:09 PM
RE: My brother gave me a book
We're okay, now. They chilled out eventually. They're still fundies, but not quite so much the brain-blown types.

Mom has since gone back to college and gotten her PhD in theatre, and stepping out of the cult-like, isolationist (FEAR THE WORLD!) culture of the church society has helped broaden her mind.

I still have to "Snopes" her quite a bit, when the GOP propaganda machine feeds her some BS too malodorous for me to tolerate on my Facebook feed without response! Yesterday's was a post of "Abraham Lincoln" saying a bunch of stuff against socialistic ideas, when in fact it was a collection of sayings by a famous industrialist/advocate for same... and people just tacked on ol' Abe to lend it more authority.

Sadly, even though she's quite bright, the memetic virus that is Christianity has heavily damaged her propaganda and pseudoscientific nonsense filters. I managed to recover from that virus, so I try to help confer some of my immunity.

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10-09-2016, 08:18 PM
RE: My brother gave me a book
Glad to hear that you've been handling the book well. Drop us a note if you want help with the vivisection.

To be fair to Ray Comfort, he was right when He said "Behold, the atheist's nightmare!" Many are still in trauma from the image of him trying to get a banana off.

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10-09-2016, 08:25 PM
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(10-09-2016 08:18 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  Glad to hear that you've been handling the book well. Drop us a note if you want help with the vivisection.

To be fair to Ray Comfort, he was right when He said "Behold, the atheist's nightmare!" Many are still in trauma from the image of him trying to get a banana off.

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11-09-2016, 02:15 PM
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Guys, I have said this before on this forum, and I'll say it again. I am the luckiest guy here, as far as I can tell.

My parents were Methodist, and we went to church when I was young, but it was pretty laid back.

My siblings and I were always supported, in everything we did. My mom didn't LIKE my atheism- she's 89 and still doesn't. But she accepts me for who I am and doesn't nag me about it. One of my siblings- my sister- is very religious, Southern Baptist no less. We have some brother-sister arguments but nothing that causes hatred or lasting anger.

I honestly had NO IDEA that this sort of judgmental crap went on in average families. Of course I knew that fanatics existed and that there were some weirdoes out there, but this forum has really floored me.

Almost everyone here, as far as I can tell, had to "come out" to his/her friends and family, and was summarily judged and often punished for doing so!

That just knocks me backwards. The bullshit that most of you went through just because you chose to believe something different than they did...wow. This is Salem witch trials behavior, to me.

I tend to announce my atheism as soon as religion comes up- saying 'bless you" or "God be with you" makes me reply "I appreciate the thought, but I'm an atheist".

Religion is everywhere, so I don't feel confrontational by announcing my beliefs too...I'm just leveling the field. However, I'm ready if they see my comments as confrontational- and it is exceedingly rare that the person confronting me possesses an intellect worthy of debate.

Jewel, I wish I could phrase this better, but...this stuff is just ridiculous. It's not worthy of your study and debasement, to be honest. Laugh at it and walk away! You sound like you're headed in a positive direction, and I'm glad, but you still seem to attach value to these ramblings of semi-incoherent men determined to either have you join them in their fantasy or fleece you of your assets.

Never argue with a lunatic. You cannot win!

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11-09-2016, 02:33 PM
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(11-09-2016 02:15 PM)The Dark One Wrote:  Guys, I have said this before on this forum, and I'll say it again. I am the luckiest guy here, as far as I can tell.

I also wasn't judged and had a fairly liberal upbringing. My family life has been relatively stable and no one disowned me or otherwise caused shit with me for being an atheist, after I came out - I did keep quiet about it for years. Once or twice there's been the odd comment which... people have learned that they'll get back with interest Big Grin

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11-09-2016, 02:34 PM
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(11-09-2016 02:15 PM)The Dark One Wrote:  Guys, I have said this before on this forum, and I'll say it again. I am the luckiest guy here, as far as I can tell.

My parents were Methodist, and we went to church when I was young, but it was pretty laid back.

My siblings and I were always supported, in everything we did. My mom didn't LIKE my atheism- she's 89 and still doesn't. But she accepts me for who I am and doesn't nag me about it. One of my siblings- my sister- is very religious, Southern Baptist no less. We have some brother-sister arguments but nothing that causes hatred or lasting anger.

I honestly had NO IDEA that this sort of judgmental crap went on in average families. Of course I knew that fanatics existed and that there were some weirdoes out there, but this forum has really floored me.

Almost everyone here, as far as I can tell, had to "come out" to his/her friends and family, and was summarily judged and often punished for doing so!

That just knocks me backwards. The bullshit that most of you went through just because you chose to believe something different than they did...wow. This is Salem witch trials behavior, to me.

I tend to announce my atheism as soon as religion comes up- saying 'bless you" or "God be with you" makes me reply "I appreciate the thought, but I'm an atheist".

Religion is everywhere, so I don't feel confrontational by announcing my beliefs too...I'm just leveling the field. However, I'm ready if they see my comments as confrontational- and it is exceedingly rare that the person confronting me possesses an intellect worthy of debate.

Jewel, I wish I could phrase this better, but...this stuff is just ridiculous. It's not worthy of your study and debasement, to be honest. Laugh at it and walk away! You sound like you're headed in a positive direction, and I'm glad, but you still seem to attach value to these ramblings of semi-incoherent men determined to either have you join them in their fantasy or fleece you of your assets.

Never argue with a lunatic. You cannot win!

HeartBig GrinTongue

well im pretty sure my brother will take all of my notes out of the book before returning it to his teacher.
i will say that i learned a lot from the experience. seeing how the author of this book (ray comfort) took words from others and twisted them to fit his writings (atheists too!) he twisted SCRIPTURE!
this has been a good lesson and i needed to have it.
but i wont argue with them.. i know my family and you cant say ANYTHING to them if its against something they believe. they just wont have it.
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11-09-2016, 02:36 PM
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i wish i knew that my family wouldnt take it so hard. my ENTIRE family on mom and dads side are 100% religious. i cant imagine what they would say if it somehow came out to them. my mom and my older sister are the only ones without negative comments.. seems good enough though
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11-09-2016, 02:41 PM
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(11-09-2016 02:36 PM)Jewelarcher Wrote:  i wish i knew that my family wouldnt take it so hard. my ENTIRE family on mom and dads side are 100% religious. i cant imagine what they would say if it somehow came out to them. my mom and my older sister are the only ones without negative comments.. seems good enough though

I just can't imagine not being able to share your most sacred or important beliefs with your family...to me, family is the one place where you can share everything, anything, and not be judged harshly. That safety net has been invaluable to me during the course of my life. I try very hard to provide the same for my children, as does my wife.

Just remember, you've got us, Jewel! Anytime. Hug
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11-09-2016, 02:46 PM
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(11-09-2016 02:41 PM)The Dark One Wrote:  
(11-09-2016 02:36 PM)Jewelarcher Wrote:  i wish i knew that my family wouldnt take it so hard. my ENTIRE family on mom and dads side are 100% religious. i cant imagine what they would say if it somehow came out to them. my mom and my older sister are the only ones without negative comments.. seems good enough though

I just can't imagine not being able to share your most sacred or important beliefs with your family...to me, family is the one place where you can share everything, anything, and not be judged harshly. That safety net has been invaluable to me during the course of my life. I try very hard to provide the same for my children, as does my wife.

Just remember, you've got us, Jewel! Anytime. Hug

I know I do! You guys are the best!
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11-09-2016, 03:51 PM
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(10-09-2016 04:56 PM)The Dark One Wrote:  People consistently underestimate the POWER of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Twill be their undoing. Heed my warnings, peasants!

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