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22-03-2013, 11:53 PM
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you kids and your interwebs.... Drinking Beverage
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23-03-2013, 01:05 AM
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These people are hilarious. They do a great job of making fun of our local village idiot.

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23-03-2013, 02:06 AM
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(22-03-2013 10:32 PM)Egor Wrote:  
(22-03-2013 11:07 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  Leave it. Any publicity is good publicity. Railing against it only makes you look weak.

I am leaning toward your point of view. Also, if it's there, and we know who it is, then it takes the wind out of other sails that might have wanted to do the same thing.

(22-03-2013 11:20 AM)guitar_nut Wrote:  I won't ever defend you here because you show up willingly and your reputation is well-earned. That website, however, is a stand-alone personal attack. If someone made a web page insulting me and my (future) wife, I'd have it burned down. Better yet, I'd try to get their name and simply post it with a link to the site. Public shaming is still an effective deterrent these days...

Unfortunately, I don't know who the person is, only who hosts it. Although I'm starting to think he's in this very forum.

(22-03-2013 12:50 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  You only suspect it was an atheist.

If it were me, I'd demand to the web hosting company that they immediately take the site down and then forgive the person who defamed you.

I hear you.

(22-03-2013 01:30 PM)devilsadvoc8 Wrote:  defamed? I'm no lawyer and I won't pretend to have any idea what the standards are for defamation or slander or whatever. However, that site is obviously fake/satire. It is so over the top along with language that no one would ever confuse that site with any of the wacky bullshit that Egor cooks up on his own on his "real" website. No one, I repeat, no one would ever confuse that website with the real Egor. So we are left with a personal attack on line. Cowardly? Yes, but then most internet interactions are partially anonymous anyway. Ignore it would be my solution. Personally I prefer to call out your BS directly, Egor.

I know you do!

And I immediately thought about the Larry Flynt case, and saw the parallels.

(22-03-2013 02:58 PM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote:  Kick Starter. That's something I hadn't thought about. Egor, have you considered it?

What is that?

(22-03-2013 03:21 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  You introduce a new religion and didn't anticipate being publicly ridiculed through satire and parody? What the fuck?!? ... Your God ain't much of a soothsayer and your divination skills are weak. Tongue

Normally, I wouldn't respond to you. But ironically, what you are saying here is exactly what God said to me earlier today. He said, "Did you really think you wouldn't be persecuted? Do you really think that's the extent of it?"

So, see! You're an unwitting prophet!

(22-03-2013 05:09 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  The guy who put up the website said Edward was mentally retarded something which doesn't appear to be true. He also used a domain privacy service to hide his identity which suggests malicious intent. I'm not a lawyer but I think Edward has a case against this guy. He might not be able to collect anything because he hasn't really suffered any damages, or the guy may not have any assets. Edward should consult an attorney to get some advice from someone qualified instead of listening to a bunch of bozos on the internet.

Well, I wasn't so much looking for legal advice as personal opinions--especially yours.

(22-03-2013 05:46 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  "27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
(Luke 19;27, KJV.)

You need to study your NT more. In that story, Jesus is talking about God, The Father. In the end, everyone will be judged.

(22-03-2013 08:43 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  I noticed your writing style is the very much like the author of the Egor defamation website. Same cadence, same use of ellipsis.

That's because it's probably him. You're very astute HJ. Good critical thinking skills. Good observations. Yes Bowing

I appreciate everyone's thoughtful input. I really do. Right now, I feel the best move is just to do nothing. Because I'm not so sure that website is having its intended effect.

It's like, I think I can act and be successful, but you all know I speak to God and He speaks to me, and the message I'm getting is "Wait." I don't know why. I sure wouldn't want to be the one pissing off God. I'm not wishing anything, but I've seen God do things. All I'm saying is I wouldn't have the courage to do what that guy is doing.
RE "You need to study your NT more. In that story, Jesus is talking about God, The Father."

“I and my father are one”
( Jeebus ) (John 14:30, NJB).
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23-03-2013, 04:20 AM
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(23-03-2013 01:05 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  These people are hilarious. They do a great job of making fun of our local village idiot.
They chased that fucker outta there. Big Grin

How'd we get so lucky to be stuck with him? Consider

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23-03-2013, 05:18 AM
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I went over there and linked back to here. Maybe we'll get some new skeptics outta the deal. Thumbsup

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23-03-2013, 09:44 AM (This post was last modified: 23-03-2013 09:51 AM by Katiegal.)
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(15-03-2013 11:52 AM)Egor Wrote:  My fifth video in the “What is Veridicanism?” series is up on YouTube. It’s called, “The Articles of Faith 1-7” I hope you’ll take a look.

Be Christ. Thumbsup
I did not quite grab the concept of "Internet religion" until I watched the video and after maybe thirty second realized that there was no congregation except the video camera. Anyway, I thought the production values were okay. After all, what more could you have done on with what is probably a miniscule budget? The maroon curtain backdrop was effective (maroon seems to go well with religion) but I thought that you might have been helped with a little more lighting. The audio was good though.

As for the actual content of your sermons, I am guessing you are probably pretty stuck on those particular beliefs, which is kind of too bad, seeing that you have the energy and the inclination to start a new religion using the latest media outlets. But I think the public has tired of Bible and Koran-based religions and is looking for something perhaps ancient in appearance but with a new spin. Maybe the old, white bearded, cloud-residing god but with a smile; something that will catch the attention of younger folks without abandoning the older people. This god could be more into moral actions of individuals rather than demanding egotistical worshiping, and small, pointless sacrifices in food, clothing etc. The god could be against various bigotry and discrimination too. In other words; make him more of a pro-gay, and pro women god.

Just brainstorming. I hope I've helped.
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23-03-2013, 11:20 AM (This post was last modified: 23-03-2013 11:33 AM by Adenosis.)
RE: My fifth video is up
(23-03-2013 01:05 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  These people are hilarious. They do a great job of making fun of our local village idiot.

Oh I get it. Read about 3 and a half pages in.

Egor thinks the thoughts that appear in consciousness are from god. So you don't even hear audible voices, so perhaps your not psychotic. Just deeply confused about the origins of thoughts, perhaps you should spend some time practising mindfulness. Our thoughts come from the abyss known as the subconscious. You can think of the subconscious as the buffer zone. This is something anyone can know if they pay attention. All you do is attribute it to god instead.

Well that could have taken longer but at least I figured it out now. Your no longer interesting. Moving on...

Brother Edward Wrote:When I talk to myself, it's like I'm doing now as I write this. I generate the thought and speak it in my mind and then type it out. When God speaks, I don't generate the thoughts, they come about out of my control. Nevertheless, I turn them into speech and write them down.

That's the case with all thoughts if you pay attention mate... Not that god is the cause, but that they come about absent our control.

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23-03-2013, 12:00 PM
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Checked out Egor's website. Let's see what other, more mainstream religious and secular sources would say about Veridicanism:
Definition of cult from Merriam-Webster:
Definition of CULT

: formal religious veneration : worship

: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also: its body of adherents

: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also: its body of adherents

: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>

a: great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially: such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b: the object of such devotion c: a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion

    Definition of Cult from

    The third, and most commonly used definition, refers to a religious group that is:
    1) Exclusive. They may say, "We're the only ones with the truth; everyone else is wrong; and if you leave our group your salvation is in danger."
    2) Secretive. Certain teachings are not available to outsiders or they're presented only to certain members, sometimes after taking vows of confidentiality.
    3) Authoritarian. A human leader expects total loyalty and unquestioned obedience.

    Now before we rush to judgment, let's look at a couple of the particulars straight from the Veridican website, and compare them to some more mainstream Christian statements and tenets:

    Quote from the cover of the Veridican Gospel:
    The Veridican Gospel of Jesus Christ is an "inspired synthesis of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Thomas" (bolding mine; quote from the cover of the book). Based on your own statement, this so-called gospel is your own creation. It's another name for yet another non-canonical mishmash of Scriptural and non-Scriptural sources (Thomas will never be considered inspired by mainstream Christianity) typically created to advance a group's own agenda, and tends to originate from the hand of a charismatic leader claiming special revelation of "truth." No mainstream denomination would accept the Veridican "Gospel" as authoritative or inspired.

    Your "authorization" from the Veridican website:
    "These Articles, having been laid down by my hand under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, on January 22, 2013, shall not be changed except they be altered by a duly elected church council of the leading Veridican Church which shall cast a unanimous vote by a quorum of ordained leaders belonging to that council. So help me God." (bolding mine)

    So based on this statement from your website, *you* came up with your articles of faith, but it takes a unanimous vote to change them? And who ordains the other leaders? Are they beholden to you? Are they *related* to you? Who or what gives you the authority to come up with this stuff and then require a unanimous vote to change it? Smells like...central authority in a single, charismatic leader!

    "Central Authority In a Single, Charismatic Leader"
    Dangerous cults are commonly led by a single person whose authority cannot be easily challenged (bolding mine). These leaders are often accepted as either prophets gifted with divine insight unavailable to members or as gods themselves. Loyalty and adoration are often significantly directed toward the leader rather than some outside force." Gee, who does that remind me of?

    Your idea of Jesus Christ from your website:
    "We assert that Jesus Christ was a physical man living on earth who was the first among us to transform into Christ." (bolding mine). Again, no mainstream denomination views Jesus as a man transformed into "The Christ." Creating your own definition of who Christ was, and stating that a transformation of a human into a god or Christ is possible, are not acceptable practices in mainstream Christianity, as we see below:

    Attacking the Deity of Christ (from
    Throughout the entire content of inspired Scripture the fact of Christ’s identity is clearly taught. He is revealed as Jehovah God in human form (bolding mine) (Isaiah 9:6; Micah 5:2; Isaiah 7:14; John 1:14; 8:58; 17:5 [cf. Exodus 3:14]; Hebrews 1:3; Philippians 2:11; Colossians 2:9; and Revelation 1:8, 17–18; etc.). The deity of Jesus Christ is one of the cornerstones of Christianity, and as such has been attacked more vigorously throughout the ages than any other single doctrine of the Christian faith. Adhering to the old Arian heresy of the fourth century A.D., which Athanasius the great church Father refuted in his famous essay "On the Incarnation of the Word," many individuals and all cults steadfastly deny the equality of Jesus Christ with God the Father, and, consequently, the Triune deity. Jehovah’s Witnesses, as has been observed, are no exception to this infamous rule. However, the testimony of the Scriptures stands sure, and the above mentioned references alone put to silence forever this blasphemous heresy, which in the power of Satan himself deceives many with its "deceitful handling of the Word of God."

    From Multnomah University website (my alma mater):
    "We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the eternal Son of God. He became man, without ceasing to be God, and was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary in order to redeem sinful humanity. He satisfied God’s holy and just demands by dying as our substitute on the cross. He assured our redemption by His resurrection from the dead in the same, though glorified, body in which He was crucified. (John 1:1-2; Luke 1:35; Rom. 3:24-25; 1 Pet. 1:3-5)" (bolding mine). In other words, Christ was always fully human and fully divine - no some enlightened shlub that we can aspire to be made into.

    From Wikipedia:
    "In his influential book The Kingdom of the Cults (first published in the United States in 1965) Christian scholar Walter Martin defines Christian cults as groups that follow the personal interpretation of an individual, rather than the understanding of the Bible accepted by mainstream Christianity." Walter Martin's book was required reading when I was in the Church, and your outfit would fit right into his book along with the rest of the cults (if it were large and/or influential enough to be worth including).

    Summary:Bottom line, your organization's alteration of Scripture, autocratic structure, and minimization of Christ's divinity makes you look, sound, and smell like a cult. NO mainstream denomination would take you or your "revelation" seriously, and you'd be viewed as yet another example of a splinter group attempting to lead people away into untruth. Based on your own words, YOU, Egon, would be the one condemned to hell for warping canonical Scripture and deceiving the innocent. Of course, as an atheist I don't believe in hell, but if the canonical Bible is correct, you're on a greased pole straight to the bottom of the pit! That means you can't speak for the vast majority of Christians, and therefore have no real authority or ability to represent Christianity or debate on matters of the Christian faith. All you can do is defend Veridicanism, which in the grand scheme of things is a meaningless blip on the religious map.

    Anyway, please promise us one thing: When (not "if" based on past examples) your little group goes off the rails in order to prepare for or bring on the apocalypse, I BEG you to take whatever children are unfortunate enough to be born into your wacky bunch to the nearest Child Protective Services office so that they won't suffer for your hubris. Because if you are manic enough to believe that you've already been given special revelation, then based on other "inspired" leaders (Jim Jones, David Koresh, etc) you'll most likely be manic enough to receive some sort of future revelation that will be harmful to others, particularly the innocent. For the sake of the kids, please admit you *may* be mistaken and let them go free if/when you decide to do some sort of extreme act to please your idea of God and bring his kingdom into fruition. It's the right thing to do!

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23-03-2013, 12:31 PM
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Of course his "religion" is the beginnings of a cult.

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23-03-2013, 12:44 PM
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I could be mistaken, but it seems a bit premature to call Egor's creation a "group" or "organization". While I agree we've all just seen Egor type up some disturbing assertions it's probably too soon to make any diagnosis. If he ever gets any followers we should take some responsibility and keep our eyes on him.

Also, what he's written on this forum should probably be preserved but I bet that's already happening.
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