My last word on Egor
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03-04-2012, 04:51 AM
RE: My last word on Egor
(03-04-2012 04:40 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  if I were not committed to my wife whom you insult, we could have her in a minute.
This is not talking of rape that I can see. This is just typical arrogant jock type "I'm so much more of a man than you that I can steal your girlfriend" boasting. At any rate, regardless of how you choose to interpret it, this is not clear cut. Also not much fuss was made at the time of the comment, it was understood that it was just posturing. It might show that Egor has fairly horrible misogynistic tendencies but it in no way constitutes a threat to rape.
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03-04-2012, 04:53 AM
RE: My last word on Egor
(03-04-2012 04:49 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  I ain't seeing it. What I am seeing is a response to someone insulting his wife.
No reflection on you, but what justifies "we could have her in a minute?"
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03-04-2012, 04:56 AM
RE: My last word on Egor
(03-04-2012 04:53 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(03-04-2012 04:49 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  I ain't seeing it. What I am seeing is a response to someone insulting his wife.
No reflection on you, but what justifies "we could have her in a minute?"

I see it as empty braggadocio. I don't do "justify" so much, I do, "I'm an asshole, this is how I talk." Egor is an asshole, but then, so am I.

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03-04-2012, 04:57 AM
RE: My last word on Egor
(03-04-2012 04:51 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(03-04-2012 04:40 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  if I were not committed to my wife whom you insult, we could have her in a minute.
This is not talking of rape that I can see. This is just typical arrogant jock type "I'm so much more of a man than you that I can steal your girlfriend" boasting. At any rate, regardless of how you choose to interpret it, this is not clear cut. Also not much fuss was made at the time of the comment, it was understood that it was just posturing. It might show that Egor has fairly horrible misogynistic tendencies but it in no way constitutes a threat to rape.
Oh....like steal her away from her boring boyfriend by charming her with sweet talk and a candlelit dinner? Is that how you read "WE could HAVE HER in A MINUTE?"
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03-04-2012, 05:02 AM
RE: My last word on Egor
I brought things up in the admin forum after that comment, This was made in a thread discussing someone's recent death in the family. I almost left for a while at the statement.

I almost never respond to him, but I try to make sure I don't iss thing that could really have hurt people. Every new member I've seen have a response by him has not continued posting. It's correlation, but at the same time it definitely seems to be exactly how I feel it is.

http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...ite?page=3
This was my turn after I made a quick joke about how he feels such a great purpose in life. He attacked my gender. I defended a little but not really because I don't want to discuss this with him. He made more statements a bit later in the thread, and no one ever messaged me or responded to it. Everyone seems to ignore the times that he is at his worst.

I'm not a non believer, I believe in the possibility of anything. I just don't let the actuality of something be determined by a 3rd party.
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03-04-2012, 05:07 AM
RE: My last word on Egor
(03-04-2012 04:57 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  Oh....like steal her away from her boring boyfriend by charming her with sweet talk and a candlelit dinner? Is that how you read "WE could HAVE HER in A MINUTE?"
You're not gonna succeed in getting me to see it as a *threat* to *rape*. I see it as "I'm such a man I can out-alpha you and *have* your girlfriend". Not have sex with. If you read Sol's reply you'll see he interpreted it in terms of ownership, not sex. And he called Egor on that, for which he received no apology. That was bad. But you hurt your credibility by trying to make it say something it doesn't. As I said before, it's definitely not a clear cut threat, it's too much of a stretch for me to even interpret it that way.
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03-04-2012, 05:10 AM
RE: My last word on Egor
Why all the discussion, mocking is so much more fun.

"Belief means not wanting to know what is true"
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03-04-2012, 05:12 AM
RE: My last word on Egor
(03-04-2012 05:02 AM)Lilith Pride Wrote:  I brought things up in the admin forum after that comment, This was made in a thread discussing someone's recent death in the family. I almost left for a while at the statement.

I almost never respond to him, but I try to make sure I don't iss thing that could really have hurt people. Every new member I've seen have a response by him has not continued posting. It's correlation, but at the same time it definitely seems to be exactly how I feel it is.

http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...ite?page=3
This was my turn after I made a quick joke about how he feels such a great purpose in life. He attacked my gender. I defended a little but not really because I don't want to discuss this with him. He made more statements a bit later in the thread, and no one ever messaged me or responded to it. Everyone seems to ignore the times that he is at his worst.
I hear you.
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03-04-2012, 05:18 AM
RE: My last word on Egor
(03-04-2012 04:40 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(03-04-2012 04:18 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  Talking about raping a member's girl? Seriously?

This is what he wrote...


"And then there are those rare intellectuals who are mighty in mind, even if they aren't fighting fit. But damn if they will back down; damn if they can't force me to change my mind. Who was it in here who brought up the point about hell and monism and the fact that God would only be sending himself to hell? I thought for an entire day, from sleep to sleep about that. I fought with it. I prayed about it and finally God gave me the answer. That person, destroyed Veridicanism as I have known it for a decade. And now, Veridicanism has emerged into something so powerful, there will be no stopping it. To that man, who probably isn't a physical fighter, I am in awe--no different than if he jumped in the air and took my head off with a jump spinning hook kick. He destroyed my world. To him I say, "Sir." But to you, I spit. And as sure as I'm sitting here today, I know, because I know men, if you had a girlfriend anyone of the men I described or even myself, if I were not committed to my wife whom you insult, we could have her in a minute.

But you don't have a girlfriend do you? And you know why? Because women know men, too."


In an attempt to play devil's advocate (possibly, literally), he could mean that he thinks he has the omnipotence to seduce the girlfriend of the person he addressing, so skillfully that she will be willing, as in "have" emotionally.

It could be just a bungled effort to claim an alpha male status.



Other than that, your critical analysis of this sadly not unusual specimen is probably accurate.

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03-04-2012, 05:20 AM
RE: My last word on Egor
(03-04-2012 05:07 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(03-04-2012 04:57 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  Oh....like steal her away from her boring boyfriend by charming her with sweet talk and a candlelit dinner? Is that how you read "WE could HAVE HER in A MINUTE?"
You're not gonna succeed in getting me to see it as a *threat* to *rape*. I see it as "I'm such a man I can out-alpha you and *have* your girlfriend". Not have sex with. If you read Sol's reply you'll see he interpreted it in terms of ownership, not sex. And he called Egor on that, for which he received no apology. That was bad. But you hurt your credibility by trying to make it say something it doesn't. As I said before, it's definitely not a clear cut threat, it's too much of a stretch for me to even interpret it that way.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Well..........................I wonder if there are any lady members who would care to comment? Also, if you are right, who did he mean by "we?" Sounds awfully like a threat of gang rape to me. I accept that you read it differently, and others may too.
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