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06-01-2014, 03:47 PM
RE: My short time on Suscipe Domine
(06-01-2014 03:37 PM)Jayne Wrote:  
(06-01-2014 01:53 PM)morondog Wrote:  What it comes down to, I think, is that we're all a bit... sensitive... about any implication that we're basically evil. It's something that a lot of us struggled with when we decided to leave religion behind, either from our own doubts and fears or from our parents and friends throwing such accusations in our faces. You said 'I should never have gone over there'... to a lot of us that sounded like 'they're a cesspit of immorality over there, they're not nice people like I told them, they're just savages waiting to waylay the unsuspecting Christian and corrupt them'...

Like I said, probably more of an over-reaction, but because you *were* so nice over here and because we get theo-trolled a lot... half of us heard the 'you are evil scum' part of the message and the other half heard 'oh great dictator Kaesekopf, please don't ban my ass, I'm truly sorry for my terrible sin'... which pushed *our* rage buttons.

Um... yeah... Undecided

Here is what I was thinking when I wrote this post:
Quote:I've said my good-byes at TTA.

I can now see that there are good reasons that I should not post there. I should not have gone there in the first place. I just got so angry at seeing SD being dissed that it clouded my judgment.
« Last Edit: January 01, 2014, 11:00:14 PM by Jayne »

When I saw the ruling that SD members should not post on TTA, I came over to TTA, wrote a couple of goodbye posts, and then returned to SD and wrote the first sentence.

Then I lurked on this thread and saw posts about how I was being controlled and forced to leave against my will. So I went back to my post to add the rest, so you all could see that I had been convinced by the arguments given to me and was not being forced. These reasons had nothing to do with atheists being evil. It was because, when members of SD post here, we end up unofficially representing that forum. The SD staff was concerned that its members could give a wrong impression of their forum. They were also concerned that this would encourage TTA members to come to SD. I regretted that I had not given more thought to my decision to join here and not recognized these issues sooner.

My compliance had nothing to do with me feeling intimidated by a threat of banning. Now that the ruling has been changed and I can post here without it affecting my status at SD, I still intend to leave. I just want to get this misunderstanding straightened out first.

I did not say anything bad about this forum and did not intend to imply it either. I suppose I can see how over-sensitive people might imagine such an implication, but that does not explain continuing to insist that I meant something I did not mean after I clarified. There are people here accusing me of lying, rather than accept that they misunderstood me. That is going beyond over-sensitive.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and give you the benefit of the doubt.

If what you say is true, I misunderstood and I apologize.

Please understand that TTA users, after seeing a lot of the hatred put forth on SD, especially in te way where no dissent is allowed, are wary anyone that would participate in that.

To expect us not to be suspicious of you, especially the way SD is of our members on their site, is a little...hypocritical.


Anyway, please accept my apology

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06-01-2014, 03:50 PM
RE: My short time on Suscipe Domine
Jayne,

The two forums clashed because of what happened to KC over there. Everyone here was pretty put off by him being banned when he just wanted to learn.

Then you showed up and everything mellowed out.

Then vox shows up - and you have to admit that no one here threw you and vox into the same pot - we treated you guys very differently and as separate entities.

Then all of a sudden, you are forbidden to come here, and all non-believers are banned from your forum without cause.

Please don't be surprised if people here are upset about that.

I don't think we did anything bad to you or vox or your forum.

I see this as kind of a miniature image of what happened in the world over the centuries between believers and non-believers, whereas you as catholic were also marked non believer at various times by other religions.

Is it not time to stop that roller coaster?

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06-01-2014, 03:57 PM
RE: My short time on Suscipe Domine
(06-01-2014 03:37 PM)Jayne Wrote:  Then I lurked on this thread and saw posts about how I was being controlled and forced to leave against my will. So I went back to my post to add the rest, so you all could see that I had been convinced by the arguments given to me and was not being forced. These reasons had nothing to do with atheists being evil.
OK, so yeah, misunderstanding. Still don't like Cheesy.

Quote:It was because, when members of SD post here, we end up unofficially representing that forum. The SD staff was concerned that its members could give a wrong impression of their forum. They were also concerned that this would encourage TTA members to come to SD. I regretted that I had not given more thought to my decision to join here and not recognized these issues sooner.
Who gives a stuff ? SD forum's rep will mainly result from what you say there. The fact that a bunch of atheists think you're not-so-hot is hardly surprising. And... oh yeah, we are pretty disgusting, better not encourage us to come over there Tongue So they got insta-bans, restrictive rules about not insulting Catholicism which they apply with zeal, and they're *still* worried about what terrible damage we might inflict on them ? Rolleyes

Quote:My compliance had nothing to do with me feeling intimidated by a threat of banning. Now that the ruling has been changed and I can post here without it affecting my status at SD, I still intend to leave. I just want to get this misunderstanding straightened out first.
Why do you let someone else make the decision ? It's bizarre and contradicts your claim to not be controlled. I know you're leaving *now* of your own free will, but the fact remains if the 'ruling' wasn't changed you wouldn't even be here explaining that.

Quote:I did not say anything bad about this forum and did not intend to imply it either. I suppose I can see how over-sensitive people might imagine such an implication, but that does not explain continuing to insist that I meant something I did not mean after I clarified. There are people here accusing me of lying, rather than accept that they misunderstood me. That is going beyond over-sensitive.
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06-01-2014, 03:58 PM
RE: My short time on Suscipe Domine
(06-01-2014 03:50 PM)Dom Wrote:  Jayne,

The two forums clashed because of what happened to KC over there. Everyone here was pretty put off by him being banned when he just wanted to learn.

Then you showed up and everything mellowed out.

Then vox shows up - and you have to admit that no one here threw you and vox into the same pot - we treated you guys very differently and as separate entities.

Then all of a sudden, you are forbidden to come here, and all non-believers are banned from your forum without cause.

Please don't be surprised if people here are upset about that.

I don't think we did anything bad to you or vox or your forum.

I see this as kind of a miniature image of what happened in the world over the centuries between believers and non-believers, whereas you as catholic were also marked non believer at various times by other religions.

Is it not time to stop that roller coaster?

Actually, that's not the entire story. I think Kaeskopf is a coward and a bully who banned even those of us who had not caused any problems. And I think less of Jayne for putting up with that behavior.

Kaeskopf: Fuck you.

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06-01-2014, 04:06 PM
RE: My short time on Suscipe Domine
(06-01-2014 03:58 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(06-01-2014 03:50 PM)Dom Wrote:  Jayne,

The two forums clashed because of what happened to KC over there. Everyone here was pretty put off by him being banned when he just wanted to learn.

Then you showed up and everything mellowed out.

Then vox shows up - and you have to admit that no one here threw you and vox into the same pot - we treated you guys very differently and as separate entities.

Then all of a sudden, you are forbidden to come here, and all non-believers are banned from your forum without cause.

Please don't be surprised if people here are upset about that.

I don't think we did anything bad to you or vox or your forum.

I see this as kind of a miniature image of what happened in the world over the centuries between believers and non-believers, whereas you as catholic were also marked non believer at various times by other religions.

Is it not time to stop that roller coaster?

Actually, that's not the entire story. I think Kaeskopf is a coward and a bully who banned even those of us who had not caused any problems. And I think less of Jayne for putting up with that behavior.

Kaeskopf: Fuck you.

And I am sure there were such people involved historically too. I don't see how orchestrating a mini situation does anything for anyone. I don't see how repeating history in any context serves to better anything.

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06-01-2014, 04:42 PM
RE: My short time on Suscipe Domine
(06-01-2014 03:37 PM)Jayne Wrote:  
(06-01-2014 01:53 PM)morondog Wrote:  What it comes down to, I think, is that we're all a bit... sensitive... about any implication that we're basically evil. It's something that a lot of us struggled with when we decided to leave religion behind, either from our own doubts and fears or from our parents and friends throwing such accusations in our faces. You said 'I should never have gone over there'... to a lot of us that sounded like 'they're a cesspit of immorality over there, they're not nice people like I told them, they're just savages waiting to waylay the unsuspecting Christian and corrupt them'...

Like I said, probably more of an over-reaction, but because you *were* so nice over here and because we get theo-trolled a lot... half of us heard the 'you are evil scum' part of the message and the other half heard 'oh great dictator Kaesekopf, please don't ban my ass, I'm truly sorry for my terrible sin'... which pushed *our* rage buttons.

Um... yeah... Undecided

Here is what I was thinking when I wrote this post:
Quote:I've said my good-byes at TTA.

I can now see that there are good reasons that I should not post there. I should not have gone there in the first place. I just got so angry at seeing SD being dissed that it clouded my judgment.
« Last Edit: January 01, 2014, 11:00:14 PM by Jayne »

When I saw the ruling that SD members should not post on TTA, I came over to TTA, wrote a couple of goodbye posts, and then returned to SD and wrote the first sentence.

Then I lurked on this thread and saw posts about how I was being controlled and forced to leave against my will. So I went back to my post to add the rest, so you all could see that I had been convinced by the arguments given to me and was not being forced. These reasons had nothing to do with atheists being evil. It was because, when members of SD post here, we end up unofficially representing that forum. The SD staff was concerned that its members could give a wrong impression of their forum. They were also concerned that this would encourage TTA members to come to SD. I regretted that I had not given more thought to my decision to join here and not recognized these issues sooner.

My compliance had nothing to do with me feeling intimidated by a threat of banning. Now that the ruling has been changed and I can post here without it affecting my status at SD, I still intend to leave. I just want to get this misunderstanding straightened out first.

I did not say anything bad about this forum and did not intend to imply it either. I suppose I can see how over-sensitive people might imagine such an implication, but that does not explain continuing to insist that I meant something I did not mean after I clarified. There are people here accusing me of lying, rather than accept that they misunderstood me. That is going beyond over-sensitive.

I'm sorry, but you said in your 'edited' post on SD, that you only came here because you felt sd was being dissed. You were not upfront about that from the start. Ironically it's nearly the same thing KC was wrongfully accused of on your forum.

I don't care what your reasons are or why you came here. I initially thought you were nice. Then I began lurking a bit on your forum. I saw there enough to make me physically ill. Not only does your lot bully atheists and other Christians, but you bully each other until someone just cries "uncle". I've seen enough examples of antisemitism and downright racisism toward other religions/cultures that is appalling. Its fine that you see them in "error" but in the 'blessed salt' thread alone..wow...just wow. You might be one of the better ones over there but that also has me scratching my head. But then again you did write, "I can now see that there are good reasons that I should not post there."

I know we are all judged by the company we keep, but if I learned a family member was sprinkling salt and holy water to stave off demons I might bring into their home...I'd be insulted and wouldn't bother staying -- really the people on your forum are obviously the spitting image of what Christ preached (sarcasm intended). I read more than once by many there, yourself included about not inviting satan/demons/or whatever temptation by associating with people outside your religion -- or who hold your exact set of beliefs, which could include other Catholics who don't sprinkle salt or holy water and believe in finding that miscarried baby or maybe just the largest blood clot, to baptize it. There's something inherently twisted up about that. Miscarriage is traumatizing enough for a desperately wanted child but to go to those lengths. Again, wow.

Now ironically, my husband recently has been toying with the idea of returning to our Catholic roots. We even went to Mass this Sunday. I directed him to your little forum. I guess I should thank you because you and those there did more for me and atheism because he's again closed the door. And he (like myself) was raised that way -- it was just a little reminder of why we left.

You might not have said anything bad about us there, but you certainly agreed readily enough that you shouldn't have come here. It's the double speak I find so repugnant.


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06-01-2014, 05:59 PM
RE: My short time on Suscipe Domine
(06-01-2014 04:06 PM)Dom Wrote:  
(06-01-2014 03:58 PM)Chas Wrote:  Actually, that's not the entire story. I think Kaeskopf is a coward and a bully who banned even those of us who had not caused any problems. And I think less of Jayne for putting up with that behavior.

Kaeskopf: Fuck you.

And I am sure there were such people involved historically too. I don't see how orchestrating a mini situation does anything for anyone. I don't see how repeating history in any context serves to better anything.

I don't see that I am orchestrating anything. Unless that was not directed at me. Drinking Beverage

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06-01-2014, 06:06 PM
RE: My short time on Suscipe Domine
(06-01-2014 03:37 PM)Jayne Wrote:  It was because, when members of SD post here, we end up unofficially representing that forum.

Dafuq up's with that? I wouldn't've even known you're a member of Suspicious Dominatrix if it hadn't been pointed out. The only reason I know LaramieHirsch is a member over there is 'cause now I'm reading your threads. I don't consider LaramieHirsch as representing Scary Domination even unofficially. I consider LaramieHirsch to represent LaramieHirsch. As it should be. The only response I can think of if is my siggie on my work email.

"I am not a Contracting Officer. Only a Contracting Officer can represent and obligate the Federal Government. Any opinions expressed herein are mine and mine alone and do not represent the official position of my organization or the Federal Government. I am not a Contracting Officer."

Difference is, I got good reason for that caveat whereas your reasons seem to me like "What the fuck?"

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06-01-2014, 06:09 PM
RE: My short time on Suscipe Domine
(06-01-2014 06:06 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(06-01-2014 03:37 PM)Jayne Wrote:  It was because, when members of SD post here, we end up unofficially representing that forum.

Dafuq up's with that? I wouldn't've even known you're a member of Suspicious Dominatrix if it hadn't been pointed out. The only reason I know LaramieHirsch is a member over there is 'cause now I'm reading your threads. I don't consider LaramieHirsch as representing Scary Domination even unofficially. I consider LaramieHirsch to represent LaramieHirsch. As it should be. The only response I can think of if is my siggie on my work email.

"I am not a Contracting Officer. Only a Contracting Officer can represent and obligate the Federal Government. Any opinions expressed herein are mine and mine alone and do not represent the official position of my organization or the Federal Government. I am not a Contracting Officer."

Difference is, I got good reason for that caveat whereas your reasons seem to me like "What the fuck?"

Yeah, but those on Scurrilous Dimwit are Suspiciously Docile and Supercilious Douches.

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06-01-2014, 06:14 PM
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(06-01-2014 05:59 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(06-01-2014 04:06 PM)Dom Wrote:  And I am sure there were such people involved historically too. I don't see how orchestrating a mini situation does anything for anyone. I don't see how repeating history in any context serves to better anything.

I don't see that I am orchestrating anything. Unless that was not directed at me. Drinking Beverage

No it wasn't, and it was also a stupid choice of words and isn't conveying what I actually meant. Blush

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